A Question in the Sales of Glassware and Equipment for Labs

java · Consumer

Does anyone have any information on the status for the companies that sell glassware and lab equipment , wheather they have to report all sales made in the US to the LE, and does that apply to sales outside the US......java

ApprenticeCook · DILLIGAF

dont know about the US, but in australia there is a list of specific glassware they have to report sales of to the LE, same as chemicals... grades of risk to diversion etc...

But i guess the US has the same thing if anything more stringent...
-AC

Taz · Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:01 am

I could be wrong but I think it depends on the state you live in some report and some don't the federal list of reportable lab equiptment is very short
large heating mantles capsule machines a few things like that.

nyarlothotep · Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:08 am

Taz: Wouldn't happen to have a link to the federal list, would you?

I'd imagine companies screening their customers would be the primary route of detection. They are encouraged to report odd behaviours/patterns, after all.

Taz · Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:54 am

Can't find the link but here's a list someone compiled over at

http://67.15.145.24/~sciencem/talk/viewthread.php?tid=3254&page=2

Sorry its the best I could do swim prefers to spend as little time as possible browesing goverment web sites Sad

synth-freak · Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:56 am

As far as i know, federal law has no requirement of glassware reporting.

Although state laws are another ball game, i only know of two(there could be more) and that is texas and california, in texas you need to apply for a license with the state to be able to purchase any and all types of glassware.

Califorina, any glassware purchases amounting to one hundred dollars or more requires information from your drivers license to be taken down and to be kept with the store owners records.

And even if glassware was reportable in every state, nobody in there right mind is going to authorize an investigation into the purchases of some RBFs.

Unless you plan on buying industrial size vessels, like 15-22,000ml containers, then i think i would tread very lightly.

But nothings fool proof, glassware merchants, along with the chem company has to keep there records open to the DEA, basterds can rifle through all purchases on any given day, and if they see something that peaks there interest........

just play it safe and dont give them a chance to sneak up on you.

petrophilum · Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:20 pm

I think you are ALL wrong. There IS and has been an international treaty signed some years ago.

'International treaties and national harm-reduction strategies
include regulated and co-operative approaches to monitoring the
distribution of chemicals and equipment used in the illicit
manufacture of amphetamines and associated psychostimulants.'

'The National Code of Practice is a significant initiative in supporting those strategies,
which represent industry’s concern for the community. The key objectives of the Code
include the establishment of a common system of practice for Australian chemical
manufacturers, importers and distributors and scientific equipment and instrument
suppliers. Essential strategies have been formulated relating to protection against
diversion of essential chemicals and scientific equipment, co-operation with government
and law enforcement, as well as the development of education and training programs
for staff and end users of precursor chemicals and associated scientific equipment.
The National Code of Practice is voluntary with the expectation of self-regulatory
arrangements between industry membership, law enforcement agencies and the
community. Industry members should be aware, however, that Federal and/or State
governments WILL FORMALISE SUCH GUIDELINES THROUGH LEGISLATION OR REGULATIONS if they
consider there is insufficient support or adherence under these existing self-regulatory
arrangements.'

'Category I
Lists chemicals that require an End User Declaration (EUD) with each purchase and may
only be sold to ‘account customers’ or customers that are prepared to open an account.
(See Appendix 3 for ‘EUD Example Format’). Supply of these chemicals to End Users or
Distributors must be delayed for a period of not less than 24 hours.'

For Sale to Account Customers Only - EUD Required
CHEMICAL NAME ALTERNATE NAME CAS NO
Acetic anhydride 108-24-7
4-Amino-Butanoic acid Piperidinic acid 56-12-2
BromobenzenePhenylbromide 108-86-1
Bromo safrole
Boron tribromide 10294-33-4
1,4-Butanediol Tetramethylene Glycol 110.63.4
1-Chlorophenyl-2-aminopropane
L-Ephedrine (salts) Ethyl phenyl
Ethyl phenyl acetate Benzene acetic acid, ethyl ester 101-97-3
Gamma butyrolactone 96-48-0
Gamma hydroxybutyrate salts
Hydriodic acid Hydrogen iodide 10034-85-2
4-Hydroxybutanal 4-Hydroxybutyraldehyde 5371-52-8
2-Hydroxytetrahydrofuran Tetrahydro-2-furanol 1346-46-9
4-Hydroxy-butanoic acid lactone Gamma-valerolactone 9648-0
4-Hydroxy-butanoic acid nitrile 4-Hydroxybutyronitrile 628-22-8
4-Hydroxy pentanoic acid Gamma Valerolactone 108-29-2
Hypophosphorous acid Phosphinic acid 6303-21-5
Methcathinone
3,4--Methylenedioxyphenylpropan-2-one
N-Methyl ephedrine 552-79-4
Methyl phenylacetate Benzeneacetic acid, methyl ester 101-41-7
N-Methylpseudoephedrine 51018-28-1
Norpseudoephedrine 53643-20-2
2-Pyrrolidone Gamma-butyrolactam 616-45-5
Phenylacetamide 103-81-1
Phenylacetic acid, salts & esters
Phenylacetonitrile Benzyl cyanide/Benzeneacetonitrile/
Benzyl nitrile 140-29-4
Phenylacetyl chloride 103-80-0
1-Phenyl-2-chloropropane
1-Phenyl-2-nitropropene
Phenylpropanolamine Norephedrine 37577-28-9
1-Phenyl-2-propanone Benzyl methyl ketone, Phenylacetone 103-79-7
1-Phenyl-2-propanone oxime
1-Phenyl-2-propanol 14898-87-4
Phosphorus red/white 7723-14-0
Phosphorus acid Phosphonic Acid 10294-56-1
/13598-36-2
Propiophenone P1P P5160-5
Pseudoephedrine (salts)
Pyridine 110-86-1

Category II
Lists chemicals and apparatus that require an EUD when sold to non-account customers.
CATEGORY II - ILLICIT DRUG PRECURSORS/REAGENTS
EUD Only Required When Sold to Non-Account Customers
CHEMICAL NAME ALTERNATE NAME CAS NO
N-Acetylanthranilic acid 2-Acetamidobenzoic acid 89-52-1
Allylbenzene 3-Phenyl-1-propene /2-Propenyl Benzene 300-57-2
Ammonium formate 540-69-2
Anthranilic acid 2- Aminobenzoic acid 118-92-3
Benzaldehyde 100-52-7
Benzyl chloridea-Chlorotoluene 100-44-7
Benzyl bromide a-Bromotoluene 100-39-0
Calcium metal 7440-70-2
Chromate salts
Chromium trioxide Chromium(VI) oxide 1333-82-0
Dichromate salts
Ergometrine Ergonovine 60-79-7
Ergotamine 113-15-5
Ethanamine Monoethylamine 75-04-7
N-Ethylephedrine
N-Ethylpseudoephedrine
Formamide 75-12-7
Hydrobromic Acid 24426-0
Hypophosphite salts
Iodine (salts) 7553-56-2
Isosafrole 1,3-Benzodioxole,5-(1-propenyl)- 120-58-1
Lithium metal 7439-93-2
Lysergic acid
Magnesium metal 7439-95 4
Methylamine (gas) Aminomethane/Monoemethylamine 74-89-5
Methylammonium salts
N-Methylformamide 123-39-7
Palladium (salts)
Phenylalanine
Piperidine 110-89-4
Piperonal 3,4-Methylenedioxy-benzaldehyde 120-57-0
Heliotropine
Potassium metal 7440-09-7
Propionic anhydride 123-62-6
Raney nickel 12635-29-9
Safrole 5-(2-Propenyl)-1,3-Benzodioxide 94-59-7
Sassafras oil 8006-80-2
Sodium Borohydride 45288-2
Sodium metal 7440-23-5
Thionyl chloride 7719-09-7
Thorium (salts)

APPLICABLE APPARATUS
Gas Cylinders
Hydrogen sulfide gas 7783-06-4
Hydrogen chloride gas 7647-01-0
Hydrogen gas 1333-74-0
Ammonia gas 7664-41-7
Methylamine gas 74-89-5
Glassware
Round bottom reaction flask: capacity 500ml or greater
(including the repair or modification)
Condenser: joint size B19 or greater
Splash Heads and Distillation Heads
Scientific Apparatus
Heating mantles: capacity 500ml or greater
(including the repair or supply of parts)
Pill presses: manual or mechanical

Category III
Lists chemicals and apparatus that may be used in the illicit production of drugs.
Purchases from this list should alert companies or organisations to seek further
indicators of any suspicious orders or enquiries. No official reporting is required for
items on this list unless considered warranted.

CATEGORY III - ILLICIT DRUG REAGENTS/ESSENTIAL CHEMICALS
No Reporting Required. This list should be used as guide to alert staff that these products
may be used in illicit drug manufacture
CHEMICAL NAME ALTERNATE NAME CAS NO
Acetic acid Glacial Acetic Acid/ Ethanoic Acid 64-19-7
Acetone 2-Propanone 67-64-1
Acetonitrile Methylcyanide 75-05-8
Acetyl chloride 75-36-5
Chloroform Trichloromethane 67-66-3
Cyclohexanone Sextone 108-94-1
Diethyl ether Ethyl ether/ Ether 60-29-7
Formic acid 64-18-6
Hydrochloric acid Muriatic acid/ Hydrogen chloride 7647-01-0
Lithium aluminium hydride LAH, Lith Al 16853-85-3
Mercuric chloride Mercury(II) chloride/
Mercury bichloride 7487-94-7
Methyl ethyl ketone MEK/ 2-Butanone 78-93-3
Nitroethane 79-24-3
Phosphorus pentachloride Phosphorane pentachloride 10026-13-8
Phosphorus pentoxide Phosphoric pentoxide/ Phosphorus oxide 1314-56-3
Phosphoric anhydride
Phosphorus trichloride Phosphorus chloride 7719-12-2
Potassium cyanide 151-50-8
Potassium permanganate 7722-64-7
Sodium acetate Acetic Acid, sodium salt 127-09-3
Sodium cyanide 143-33-9
Sodium hydroxide Caustic soda 1310-73-2
Sulfuric acid 7664-93-9
Tetrahydrofuran 109-99-9
Toluene Methyl benzene / Toluol 108-88-3
Applicable Apparatus
Buchner funnels
Buchner flasks
Magnetic Stirrer/Hotplates
Separating funnels
Chemical balances
Quickfit adapters

http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/international/factsht/precursor.html

http://www.saps.gov.za/drugs/precursor_control/precursor_backgrounds.htm

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Vitriodor · Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:46 am

Although it is "voluntary" in Australia, I don´t think these lists apply for all countries. For most of them there is no legal restriction on buying or selling laboratory glass ware as far as I know. And also part of the chemicals are freely available in other countries.

I feel pity for the Australians.

drayen · Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:45 pm

i was gonna put this question in a seperate thread, but it fits very nicely in this one...
(i hope i'm not violating any "source posting" rules, considering the publicity of this site. i believe no one will be too pissed off...)
does anyone know how safe ordering lab glassware off ebay is?
considering most of thier sellers are private citizens getting rid of thier old "crap," this should be a pretty safe, and traceability to the end user should be minimum even if you order with your credit card.
(though using a friend's and paying them off in cash would be a much less retarded way to order shite if you wanna remain discrete)

java · Consumer

One never know who one is dealing with .......but as the saying goes "no pain no gain", you'll need to go through the gut churning to see if there isn't any tails with your purchase......it's just ludicrus for hobbiest to have to endure this streess to buy the equipment needed for legit research........java

Vitriodor · Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:22 am