And the ripples spread......

nyarlothotep · Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:27 am

http://www.skylighter.com/skylighter_info_pages/article.asp?Item=72
and another:
http://www.cannonfuse.com/cpsc.htm

Select quote, regarding proposed controls:

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

Hell, if you would give me all those compounds in the stated quantities and said 25 fuses, I think I would well be capable of ceating a bang that would look those bunker busters like toys...
(luckily I ain't a terrorist)

I can well understand why they want to limit the purchase of perchlorates to 1lb/person/year, for example....

Same goes for 10micron Al and Mg powder, ammonium nitrate etc.etc.

I don't feel limited by these "limitations", so I don't care. Very Happy

IMO if anything has to be controlled and/or watched, it is making explosives and chemical warfare agents - they simply don't do much good, you see...

i_a

Huxley · member

java · Consumer

Thank you for your post Huxley, again it points out the increased loss of citizens freedom. Now the concern to all the citizens of the world is as follows, the US has a nasty habit of imposing it's rules on other countries by condition of assistance only if they accept rules and regulations to be ammendment to their laws. So laws that are passed in the US are tricked down to other countries and hence become laws ther also, and hence effect to the citizens of the world.

In this post ....http://synthetikal.com/synthforum/viewtopic.php?p=911#911, I tried to point out the current new threats of personal freedom in the US being threatened daily, and some of the response was to say the least, bad logic....java

Polverone · Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:17 am

This action by the Consumer Product Safety Commission isn't being taken to protect against terrorists or other violent criminals. They are trying to clamp down on sales of common oxidizers and fuels used in making pyrotechnics because some people use these chemicals to produce bootleg salutes (exploding fireworks) and then sell them. The CPSC has long banned firecrackers with more than 50 mg of explosive from consumer use. By the reasoning favored by power-hungry bureaucrats, clamping down on sales of chemicals that can be used to make illegal products is a natural extension of prohibiting the sale of the illegal products themselves. This reasoning should sound familiar. The War on Fireworks resembles the War on Drugs in miniature, and it was observing the foolishness of this smaller war that first opened my eyes to the problems of Prohibition in all its guises.

For what it's worth, the Consumer Product Safety Commission has also recently been petitioned to end sales of concentrated sulfuric acid drain openers to the general public as well.

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

Spacemonkey · Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:07 am

Fallout from 9/11? No, just a scapegoat.

As the story goes those buildings were knocked down with nothing more than a few pieces of sharpend steel, a few commercial airliners, and a bunch of people too chickenshit to stop it, namely the pilots, crew, and passengers of said.

>And about "freedom": do you mean the freedom of loosing two fingers due to stupidity and broad availability of potassium perchlorate of two (!) friends of me?

I'm not sure what you mean by that IA.
Did you lose the fingers or your friends?

Regardless.

Is the broad availability of plant fertilizer and diesel fuel to blame for the Oklahoma City bombing?

Are you implying that because some segment of the population is unable to excercise due care or common sense in the use of the devices and substances they're allowed to access that those of us who are responsible should be denied that same access?

If so I'm surprised at you, not that I know you or anything, but just in principal.
Theres a significant lapse of reason required to make such a claim.

Why should my free access to pyro-chemicals, fireworks, motor vehicles, recreational chemicals, construction equipment or whathaveyou, be impeaded just cause some people do some stupid shit and blow body parts off, overdose, run people over, or build giant armored murder-vehicles?

Back in early half of the 20th the US government gave booklets out to landowners on, get this, how to make explosives for whatever constructive deconstructive use they'd need.

And you know I wasn't around then but I don't think there were all that many people going around with home-made explosive devices for nefarious purposes.

Consider the tired example of alcohol prohibition. Some people drink themselves stupid all the time and do all sorts of irresponsible things while on it. Others enjoy a glass of wine with dinner. Should we go back to the temperance movement days?

The same comparison can be made with nearly anything. Guns, cars, movies, videogames, any drug in existance..etc..

If I misunderstand you than so be it, I'll love ya the same for your contributions either way..

First they came for the pyros, and I said nothing cause I wasn't a pyro....

Course we all know they came for the "druggies" first. (as those on this site would be considerd by "them")

CherrieBaby · chouchou

I can buy 200 mesh Aluminum from a shop (on the high street) a few miles away - I don't even kneed to go to a chemical supply company to get it.

Huxley · member

Davidus · Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:06 pm

Right on, man! Cool

Drugs have only been a problem since laws were introduced to try and control people's personal behaviour. It's called prohibition, and we discovered some 70 odd years ago that IT DOESN'T WORK and creates misery and death. Mad

You're exactly right when you say the citizenry needs to educate itself as to what effects drugs really have on them; The problem with so-called "drug education" is that everyone's being taught, but no-one's learning. Confused

If the information given to them doesn't match up exactly with their real world experiences, they won't believe a word of it, and think to themselves "The only way I'm going to learn is to try it myself" and they attempt to teach themselves by experimenting with impure, overly priced substances, often obtained and used in very dangerous ways which could ruin the rest of their life.

It really upsets me that laws that are supposed to protect us try and make the harmless look harmful and end up victimising some of the most vulnerable people in society. Crying or Very sad