Help Wanted

gama_ray · Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:19 pm

April 21, 2005

Friends, maybe this is not the right forum, but I need your help to find a way for the synthesis of 3,4-diaminofurazan.
This compound is an explosive precursor for the synthesis of several explosives like DAAF and DAAzF.

I post this in another forum and I don´t get any answer.

Thanks

n00dle · Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:07 am

No offence but explosives have no personal use.
If you require to blow something up, you'll have the appropriate licenses.
Plus, blowing stuff up is stupid.

PLUS you run the risk of potentially supporting terrorism.

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

If your are familiar with the chemistry of DAAF and DAAzF (which is recommended if you plan to synthesize them!), you surely can look up the required refs in any library.

If your knowledge isn't advanced enough to search for the synthesis of the compound you need, it is probably better that way.

Explosives can't do any good unless used in mining and destroying old buildings; and for both cases there are specialists and appropriate commercially available detonation devices as well as primary and secondary explosives, and they are by far not as controlled as mind-altering substances!!

Therefore I strongly doubt that there is any need for you synthing those crazy items, neither in the field of mining nor in the field of construction sites.

Thus I feel no need to help you with this one.

java · Consumer

You will get more interaction for you hobby/interest, at sciencemadness as you can see the forum is mostly organic chemistry. However here is an article on the subject and a link to downoload it........java

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Studies on Pyrazines. Part 33.1 Synthesis of
2,3-Diaminopyrazines via [1,2,5]Thiadiazolo-
[3,4-b]pyrazines†
Nobuhiro Sato* and Hajime Mizuno
250 J. CHEM. RESEARCH (S), 1997,250-251
pdf

Abstract
The syntheses of [1,2,5]thiadiazolo[3,4-b]pyrazine (3) and its methyl and/or phenyl derivatives as well as their reduction to
2,3-diaminopyrazines 4 are described.

gama_ray · Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:53 pm

Thanks everybody for your comments!!!

I know that the explosives theme is extremly sensitive, and helping or supporting such activities are a felony in every civilized country.

I don´t want to make a batch of any explosive!!!!, so you may ask why do I need this information? FOR INFORMATION PROPUSES ONLY.

There is a LOT of information, "How to" manuals, US patent office, Bookstores, forums, where you can download, or buy a book on "How to... " explosives.

For me is jkust a hobby to acquire information on explosives, and you can imagine how easy it is to find "information" on this subject, but REAL SCIENTIFIC information it is not that easy especially on precursors like this one 3,4-diaminofurazan.

You can call me crazy or stupid, thats OK, no hard feellings Smile

!!!!!

gama_ray

gama_ray · Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:07 pm

I qoute "You can call me crazy or stupid, thats OK, no hard feellings !!!!!", but it should read:

"You might think I´m crazy or stupid, but I´m not...."

atarax · Mon May 09, 2005 8:19 am

Maybe the guy just wants to have the best 4th of july ever? Nothing wrong with explosives. There's a responsible way to use explosives for entertainment purposes - there are entire businesses built on this, large cities spend millions on fireworks displays all the time. Besides, there's a heck of a better chance to get into a legitimate field making explosives than making shit that gets people high.

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

Oh, I don't know - industry earns billions with booze and pharmaceutics - not with civil fireworks...

(the military business with "fireworks" though probably is just as big a market as booze and medications are, if I think about it.... Shocked

)

If its for information, thats ok gamma-ray: but as you said its a sensitive topic. And since this site has a sometimes a bit sensitive content anyway, I think we should try and keep explosives chemistry out as far as possible.

Of course if a rxn turns out to make an explosive byproduct or something, then its different:for example: do you know about if any explosive could be formed by the action of Hg(NO3)2 on EtOH when used in reductive aminations with Al/Hg? The mercury salt is used to effect the amalgamation of Al in this case, but the solvent is EtOH and who knows, I've heard rumors it would make some explosive.. ?

This for example is an explosives-related issue that could be discussed here quite well...

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