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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2009, 03:43:12 PM »
that list is used to lul people into a flase sense of security.
the real concern is combinations of chemicals

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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2009, 08:56:03 PM »
urea pyrolysis isn't hard - neither is pyrolysis of mono/diammonium phosphate - good news, it too is a fertilizer (available by the truckload/1 ton bag/50kg/20kg bags from my local depot)...  You get polyphosphoric acid and copious qty's of bone-dry ammonia gas.

I suggested once before, use nitrogen gas/whatever else (NOT CO2 for obvious reasons) to pressurize a container full of the dry ammonia gas to bring about liquification (same principle as refrigeration, just different in practice, ie. one gas causes another to liquify - of course we can't use water to absorb it). Decant the liquid from the bottom of the container (actually, this is the same principle as is in play in a half full tank of NH3 - the pressure of the gas [which fills the remainder of the container] causes the remainder of the liquid to remain a liquid). Shouldn't take a great deal of pressure, either freely available Nitrogen tanks or even the Balloon tanks of Helium (both contain O2) should be good enough.

In terms of a container - gas bottle,* with an extra hole through which is soldered a 1/8 gas line (c/w valve) extending to the bottom of the inside of the container (of course put it in one corner so it can be tilted to get that last lil bit:P), the hole up in the shoulder of the bottle and heavily soldered closed, the tube running up from the bottom of the container, through the hole and then down to wherever it is convenient for a spout for your NH3 (valve somewhere handy to that). It will act something like an aerosol - the fluid will be forced up the tube under pressure (ie. the pressure of the inert gas pushing down on the liquid).
 
* Personally I'd consider those half-size S/Steel kegs, they are built for essentially this purpose, just using a different inert gas with beer as the liquid that is forced out under pressure;) Plus S/Steel holds up a little better than brass with NH3
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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2009, 05:22:15 AM »
u can pretty much wipe your ass with that list the DEA is'nt going to diviulge what chemicals or chemical combinations might garner thier scrutiny sure they'll tell in part but they have other things thye watch unofficially.

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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2009, 05:28:32 AM »
This is all to true it would be nice if someone got a job in the DEA to find out what this list entails.

Its not hard, they offered me a low level job thru the state (Dont get it fucked up Ida take it if I had a deploma), but if someone would get on the fucking inside.... then we could expand this war to something they are not ready for. They have crap chemist and crap cops. Comming from the words of an ex gov worker..... "DEA JOBs are the shit no one else wants"...no wounder the fools are bitter.. against an enemy that is smarter and more advanced yet your back up is 1 million miles away and don't give a fuck.
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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2009, 05:32:38 AM »
man those dudes aint that fucking smart see the other thread where i linked dea shoots his foot off??

well for entertainment purposes lets watch it again!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_91jcFTbLE8

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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2009, 05:36:54 AM »
 :D   


I WANT MORE!..

Aww that was funny as hell dude...  nig nig try to play it off but he still looked retarted talking about how hes the only one profesional enough to handle that gun yet there goes his big toe ! ;D
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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2009, 05:39:23 AM »
well u know they are the "goverment" after all so there probably is'nt much about thier stupidity posted everywhere .

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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2009, 06:23:39 PM »
Ever thought about trying to get a DEA licensee to train dogs to sniff out drugs in order to run your own "drug dog sniffing business"?
I've seen private companies doing this on the news a few weeks ago and they seemed to be making a ton of money since parents would want to know if their kids were doing drugs, but they didn't want to get the law involved.

If you could get that license, it may not give you the full up DEA ability to do and know whatever, but it might be pretty useful.


I think their are different levels of DEA agents..
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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2009, 09:06:23 PM »
Erowid has from an old (1992) Sigma catalog a list of items which must be reported or have special requirements.

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/law/law_watched_chemicals.shtml

I imagine a newer catalog from them probably has updated lists, and a lot of chemicals are on there that aren't on the official lists.

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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2009, 11:39:12 PM »
I think their are different levels of DEA agents..


of course there are because last time when they blew thier surveillence you can tell there's some leadership behind the grunts because the grunts change strategy.
it's hard to explain swij has been under surveillence a few times once back in the 90's for moving large amounts of cocaine.
really can't underestimate thier intelligence.
in the 90's it was'nt swij they were after it was the big fish i mean big fish 10-20 kilos a week import kind of ppl.
swij promtly left town.

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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2009, 06:25:38 PM »
safrole is a controlled chemical? awww shucks, curses foiled again! >:(
Not!!!
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« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2009, 09:13:59 PM »
what about hydroxylamine salts?  i've heard talk that it's watched in all likelihood but i wouldn't think so, you can get it at many places in the U.S. with no forms, etc, as it has a common photography use.

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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2009, 04:32:22 AM »
what about hydroxylamine salts?  i've heard talk that it's watched in all likelihood but i wouldn't think so, you can get it at many places in the U.S. with no forms, etc, as it has a common photography use.

Fuck no! Jesus...NH2OH is about as watched as much as Ann Coulter.

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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2009, 06:22:05 PM »
what about hydroxylamine salts?  i've heard talk that it's watched in all likelihood but i wouldn't think so, you can get it at many places in the U.S. with no forms, etc, as it has a common photography use.

Fuck no! Jesus...NH2OH is about as watched as much as Ann Coulter.

i have no idea who that is lol.  i guess that means don't sweat it

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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2009, 10:38:18 PM »
yeah, I was wondering about that too. What do you mean?

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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2009, 11:45:21 PM »
Ann Coulter is a popular republican chick on fox... watched a ton AFAIK and very popular.

Ann Coulter reference is probably because she is a conservative and they tend to be against drug use??? :P
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« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2009, 01:46:10 PM »
Ann Coulter is a popular republican chick on fox... watched a ton AFAIK and very popular.

ah i see.  well, in that context then that's not so good  :-\

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« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2009, 07:28:57 AM »
actually maybe he meant it as a joke that she's a public personality but nobody ever listens to her?  i'm thinking maybe he meant that as a joke that it was safe due to this post: 
http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,255.0.html
Ha ha, actually this is one of those that it is probably better to buy....no real reason not too. Its far cheaper, even at the most expensive chemical houses.  Plus it not illicit or suspicious in the least.  Even if you get 60% racing fuel, the amount of work to make 2-300 grams is just silly.

Unless you are a total synthesis guy.

the problem i have with synthing it is that there are better things to use nitromethane for, i totally agree with v16 that the synth is just budget-heavy.  it's much cheaper to just buy it... if that's a safe thing to do.  hopefully poison will see these replies and elaborate  :)

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Re: LIST OF DEA LISTED PRECURSORS
« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2010, 07:54:25 PM »
actually maybe he meant it as a joke that she's a public personality but nobody ever listens to her?

Something like that  :D ...she's a very popular republican figure in the US whose portrayed as someone watched and noteworthy but in reality nobody with any electrical activity in their heads would bother considering her. NH2OH salts are extremely safe to buy in most places. Used to buy them by the 500g batch, still do. Like jon said it really is the weight and combination. DEA list 1 is about the only problem area I've come to find over the years(even that to some degree is possible/very possible), everything else is just more or less scare tactics ingrained.

PS. My apologies for the confusing analogy.  ;D