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Madiens wattle, ive nearly found you :)
« on: September 13, 2010, 03:41:40 AM »
finally im am tracking down the maidens wattle here is a pdf that might be of some use to you OZ peoples

my ultimate goal is to synth DMT- but an extraction would be good for the experience :)

all that i ask is the trees be treated with repect and not murdered


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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2010, 02:02:17 AM »
Any luck thus far?
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2010, 08:23:40 AM »
not as of yet vesp

planning a nice long drive this week end too so what nature has to offer :)

with my living arrangements they way they are an extraction is about the only chem

i can get up to :) so hopeully i have a bit of luck.


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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2010, 12:25:46 PM »
And of course don't forget to look for many other interesting plants as well, its surprising how many chemically interesting plants can be had.
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2010, 12:42:19 PM »
will do vesp :)

i love going on bush walks and stuff just to see whats around, i go out walking most week ends :)

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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2010, 08:47:32 PM »
Same, this weekend I intend to collect a bunch of Opuntia seeds from the cacti all over the mountain. :)
Not a particularly useful plant, but they grow easy and spread fast.
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Re: Madiens wattle, ive nearly found you :)
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2010, 05:25:28 AM »
well my weekend was fucked, rain, rain, rain and hey more fucking rain

i still thought bugger it im going for my walk, lol bad mistake, i came home with mud up to my knees :)

felt like a kid all over again (aahhh the days  ;D)

anyway plenty of time, ive been hunting for  ages and ages now so a few more days/weeks wont hurt, as soon as this rain stops im getting back out there

1 good side is we needed the rain here, been in drought for years, now the rivers are flowing dams and catchments are filling up nicely,

now with all the real bad fires a coupla years ago and now all this rain, there is gonna be species of tree's emerging that havent been seen growing here for decades, hehehe exciting times :)

im seriously thinking about doing some volenteer work for the parks people, they go through and identify and catalog all out local plants and bugs and stuff in our local national parks, and they always after people, what do you think vesp ?

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Re: Madiens wattle, ive nearly found you :)
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2010, 05:35:18 AM »
Service work for the government for a self-serving purpose that disagrees with the governments objectives?
Of course I think that is a good idea! :D


It can be really stressful how hard it is to find plants that "live in the area but aren't common" I've looked for so many different things, never turn up :(
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Re: Madiens wattle, ive nearly found you :)
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2010, 09:47:04 AM »
If you have some space Acacia maidenii is very easy to grow from seed. If not, perhaps grow some in pots by a window and then plant out in some secluded public place when they are big enough. Watch them grow and harvest after a few years.

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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2010, 03:58:27 PM »
A useful link for others in OZ,

hemp://xww.chah.gov.au/avh   (fix the URL)

It should be noted too that A. Obtusifolia distribution has spread somewhat in either direction along the coastal region it's mostly found, compared to other outdated online distribution maps.

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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2010, 12:07:48 PM »
You could be disappointed with A maidenii.

The reputation for this plant as a DMT source seems to have originated in an Australian Journal of Chemistry article (Fitzgerald and Siournis 1965) that found 0.36% of DMT as well as 0.24% of N-methyltryptamine in the bark.

However, most reports of extractions of A maidenii since seem to have failed to find the presence of DMT and there has even been a suggestion that the wattle in the original article may have even been misidentified.

You're probably better off looking for A obtusifolia as this seems to have a reputation as a much more consistent source of DMT.

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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2010, 01:48:10 PM »
Interesting - I wonder if there is a subspecies or certain strain of Madiens Wattle that in a certain location has a high DMT content, while the normal population does not?

Does the reference you've provided say anything about where it was gathered?
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2010, 03:44:51 AM »
This is something I would like to look into. The link to a pdf in the original post contains locations that are very close to my locality. The trees listed on 'Burn Rd.' are on the escarpment at the edge of the river flat, the roots wouldn't reach the water table in the river flat. The trees listed at 'Deaseys Rd.' (it's actually called Deasey's Cutting) are very close to the Snowy river, you could throw a stone into it with a solid throw. Maybe the conditions contribute to some variation.
I'm yet to find any A. obtusifolia though I haven't ventured too far, and according to the herbarium linked in my last post, they're right here.

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Re: Madiens wattle, ive nearly found you :)
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2010, 06:04:08 AM »
Vesp - I think you're spot on with your speculation.

There's supposedly about 800 species of Acacia in Australia and who's to say what's a species, subspecies, complex of species, strain, hybrid etc etc?

And in terms of chemical phenotypes amongst these, we probably know virtually nothing.

The original article about A maidenii is at

hxxx://xxx.publish.csiro.au/?act=view_file&file_id=CH9650433.pdf   (edit the link)

It doesn't seem to say anything about the source of the plant material.

If anyone wants to see A maidenii there is a very large beautiful old specimen in the Sydney Royal Botanic Gardens, in the middle of the lawn just inside the Woolloomooloo Gate.  Thankfully no one has attempted to damage this tree and let's hope no one does.

I bought a pack of seeds of A obtusifolia off an Australian ethnobotanical company which were sourced from Barrington Tops.  This seems about right: in northern NSW and SEQ A obtusifolia is reaching the northern-most extent of its range and seems to only be found at altitude this far north.

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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2010, 02:26:08 PM »
A brief article on repairing tree bark:

hxxp://xww.articlesbase.com/genealogy-articles/do-it-yourself-repair-a-damaged-tree-bark-2727054.html
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