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ALD-52 possible synthesis
« on: September 14, 2010, 07:31:13 AM »
Oh haï  :D

I was thinking of making ALD-52. It's a analogue of LSD, Shulgin said it's the same as LSD but "without the anxiety, tenseness, and other problems inherent to it", lesser fever and toxicity (Yeepee !!).



ALD-52 a N-Acetyl analogue of LSD-25


So,

1) extracting LSA/Ergine with a controlled A/B extraction.
2) Purifying it (because hawaïan baby woodrose's impurities are a shame).
3) Make a strong base hydrolyse to obtain Lysergic acid hydrate.
4) add acetic anhydride (or even Propionic anhydride or acyl chloride) plus Sulfuric acid. It'll give N-Acetyl-Lysergic acid sulfate.
5) Mix N-Acetyl-Lysergic acid, Phosphoryl chloride and DiethylAmide, heat. It'll give ALD-52.
6) Recrystalise in benzene.
7) Enjoy*



ALD-52 analogue with Propionic chloride instead of acetic anhydride.



Ta-dah !!!  :D
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Re: ALD-52 possible synthesis
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2010, 04:59:40 PM »
Acetic anhydride will destroy your molecule, is just one thing I would say.  Ketene (lower yield) would be an option, and MAYBE anhydrous ammonia / acetyl chloride, but not acetic anhydride ... If I am wrong show me a ref!

Also, most of your steps won't work!

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Re: ALD-52 possible synthesis
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2010, 05:03:04 PM »
Are you familiar with the synthesis of LSD itself? Have you ever attempted it or worked with the necessary reagents (in particular POCl3)?

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Re: ALD-52 possible synthesis
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2010, 08:37:29 PM »
uh...

Adding acetic anhydride with conc. Sulfuric acid is the common way to produce N-Acetyl-lysergic acid dude...

And ya, I'm familiar with this synthesis (particulary POCL3).

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Re: ALD-52 possible synthesis
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 02:31:03 AM »
we all know that ergonovine is psychedelic causing closed eye visuals (spinning geometry, etc.) as experienced by bigwood and friends decades ago at the 10mg level....it's just that at that dosage, while it is quite psychedelic, the cramping it induces in the leg muscles is debilitating to the point of being painful, and even preventing walking....Hofmann even had closed eye visuals at the 2mg level and after that theorized that indeed it was ergonovine that was the sacred drink used at eleusis.

so a theory i've been pondering and which would be an even easier synthesis (to the point of practical) would be to do a cold water extraction on claviceps purpurea, as it contains large amounts of water soluble ergonovine (ergometrine) and only trace amounts of lsa, then take the cold water solution full of ergonovine and spin it with acetaldehyde and alcohol and water to "adduct" an acetaldehyde molecule on to the indole-nitrogen of ergonovine, that may just then give you nearly the exact same thing as sansert, which is proven to cause profound lsd-like effects at the 20mg dosage, some people on line found 20mg of sansert (5 of the pills) to be indistinguishable from real lsd. the methyl group on the indole-nitrogen of sansert reduces the vasoconstriction considerably so that large doses  of it can be taken without vasoconstricitive side effects, yet the psychedelic effects are left intact.....i have  a theory that the same thing may happen with ergonovine when an acetaldehyde is adducted onto the indole-nitrogen, turning it into something that is still psychedelic, but with less anxiety, stronger psychedelic effects, and with less vasoconstriction, but that's a whole nother topic. Jonathan ott said that 20mg of sansert is equivalent to about 100 ug of lsd. this could have been the famous sacred brew prepared for the ceremony at eleusis, the priest just doing a cold water extract on claviceps purpurea, then adding in mint with alcohol and water (then mix it or let it sit for a day) to adduct the two different aldehydes in mint onto the indole-nitrogen of ergonovine. this would in theory all be best done in a dark fridge with a portable battery powered magnetic stirrer spinning overnight.

what we need to know is how a methyl group CH3 compares with an acetyldehyde group CH3CHO at the indole-nitrogen position, will the CH3CHO group significantly reduce vasoconstriction as well as CH3 ?

acetyldehyde = CH3CHO
isobutyraldehyde = (CH3)2CHCHO
isovaleraldehyde = (CH3)2CHCH2CHO

remember, ALD-52 has the following acetyl-group at the indole-nitrogen = COCH3

White bread = 0.0225% isobutyraldehyde
Beer = 0.005% isobutyraldehyde
Apple juice = 0.000002% isobutyraldehyde
peppermint = 0.04% isobutyraldehyde

Peppermint oil has about 0.04% isobutyraldehyde and 0.19% isovaleraldehyde

anyhow, back on topic...

The table from Sandoz suggested that ALD might actually have advantages over LSD, reducing any side effects but achieving a stronger trip. Measurements of brain waves while people were taking the two drugs showed that while LSD produced brain waves associated with intense concentration and anxiety, ALD produced brain waves showing a more relaxed mental state. It is possible ALD-52 was the active chemical in the "Orange Sunshine" LSD that was widely available in California through 1968 and 1969.  
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Re: ALD-52 possible synthesis
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2010, 04:03:44 AM »
i think it also changes the nature of ergine in action too i know it reduces cramping so yes  it looks promising.
lsa has this introspective not  very enjoyable trip i believe adducting an aldehyde to indolic nitrogen changes the nature of it's effects it's also shorter acting like 6  hours or so.
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Re: ALD-52 possible synthesis
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 02:57:28 PM »
uh...

Adding acetic anhydride with conc. Sulfuric acid is the common way to produce N-Acetyl-lysergic acid dude...

And ya, I'm familiar with this synthesis (particulary POCL3).

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Then go for it, it sounds good. :D