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dallis grass ergot
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Re: dallis grass ergot
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2010, 03:17:52 AM »
Yeah and looking in the right location..  I happen to be in an ergot dessert.
You ought to get a culture started! Can't be that hard, yeah? Mutated Paspali could even make spores perhaps.. well at least I think - so than you've really got something there...

You found this? Impressive! Nice find.
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Re: dallis grass ergot
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2010, 03:44:53 AM »
this is what's growing in my backyard

the second pic is of more mature ergot

http://smallmeadowfarm.blogspot.com/2007/10/whys-and-whatfors.html.
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Re: dallis grass ergot
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2010, 05:10:37 AM »
Yeah dallisgrass/knotgrass is pretty damn common, heres some pictures of the scelortia, beware of trying to culture the honeydew form, often is cohabitated by another fungus... this will suppress scelortia development so if you see the round scelortia your safe.  Heres some pictures:

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Re: dallis grass ergot
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2010, 05:16:23 AM »
overunity33, have you found the ergot on the dallis grass?
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Re: dallis grass ergot
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2010, 05:42:54 AM »
I have not personally, just found a lot of armed rednecks roaming the woods off season.  You should wait for a rainy week or two then in a few days go look on roadsides, sides of drainage ditches and pastures.  One fact gives me hope: it takes somewhere around 100g of scelortia for a large animal to get a serious case of the paspalum staggers, I would be happy with 5g. 

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Re: dallis grass ergot
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2010, 05:45:18 AM »
ah what do you mean armed rednecks? I've looked to no end to find any ergot at all.. no luck. Looked high and low, different states, all different seasons, etc.
Just in a bad place for it I guess.
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Re: dallis grass ergot
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2010, 05:49:30 AM »
Crackers with guns.  That sucks, you could always try and order a few kgs of organic paspalum type seeds.  If they are cheap you might be able to find some scelortia in there.  I know that one place that sold ergot scelortia sold paspali fruit on some non-Paspalum type grass seed years ago.

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Re: dallis grass ergot
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2010, 06:09:09 PM »
i think it's seasonal i keep seeing those immature black sclerotes that just fall right off.
mabe october?
bermuda grass is a good example of a commercially available paspalum grass.
as is bahia grass..
 you could probably buy a bag of grass seed and float the sclerotes i do'nt think they bother to clean it
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Re: dallis grass ergot
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2010, 07:51:37 PM »
black things are part of the plant.  I'd like to know peoples experiences with finding scelortia in bags of seed.  Dry scelortias can be revived directly on agar I think (after cleaning and a core sample).  I'm pretty sure its hard for a good production strain to form asexual spores or to store it on agar for more then a year.  In this case infecting a small patch of grass and collecting the scelortia for storage would the correct way to preserve your hard fought for genetics, or am I mistaken?  Even if not it would be a good way to revive a culture that has been transferred to death.

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Re: dallis grass ergot
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2010, 12:00:12 AM »
take a look at the life cycle yes you can get spores from dried scerotes it's part of it's life cycle.

wiki up paspalum many different grasses