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Dont Talk to Police - Good Videos!
« on: September 25, 2010, 09:20:53 PM »
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE&feature=related[/youtube]

I found these links on SM, figured they should be shared -- while it is pretty obvious, it still brings up great points and I believe is useful and would make you more sure that you should remain silent.
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Re: Dont Talk to Police - Good Videos!
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2010, 11:29:21 AM »
Very scary when you think about it!, that cop is a NASTY piece of work, like most of them...alas they are required, its just that many of those 27,000 USC are  WRONG i can think of no other word

The lawyer is most entertaining!
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Re: Dont Talk to Police - Good Videos!
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2010, 07:36:24 PM »
if you locked up police for perjury there would no longer be any police left.
it's called testilying.

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Re: Dont Talk to Police - Good Videos!
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2010, 02:32:48 AM »
There's perjury then there's this:

http://www.aclu.org/drug-law-reform/aclu-files-lawsuit-against-camden-police-officers-who-planted-drugs-suspects

If this is common practice nobody's got any civil liberty left.

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Re: Dont Talk to Police - Good Videos!
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2010, 08:53:03 AM »
Nasty stuff, what you've found there salat...man o man!!! Whatever it takes eh? just like the cop in the video.....I mean...
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"Planting evidence on innocent people in order to send them to prison is one of the most serious forms of police misconduct, and police who engage in such behavior must be held accountable,"
...absolutely
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Barnes initially pleaded not guilty to all of the charges against him but, fearing a jury would be far more likely to believe the officers' testimony than his own truthful testimony, and not wanting to risk spending his remaining youth in prison, he ultimately pleaded guilty to one count of unlawful drug possession within 1,000 feet of a school zone.
just like was suggested in the video.....and....
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"Had there been proper supervision, Camden's police officers would not have been able to plant drugs on Camden residents in the first place. The public's faith in the fairness of the criminal process rests on the integrity of police officers.

as the old saying goes.. IIRC "ipso custodes custodiet?" which translates as "who guards the guards?"...the cops..of course!!!

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it's called testilying.
Lol you got that CORRECT jonmon ;)
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Re: Dont Talk to Police - Good Videos!
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2010, 10:28:25 AM »
well you see police don't actually break any laws they just observe them falling down the stairs without being pushed.

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Re: Dont Talk to Police - Good Videos!
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2010, 12:32:16 PM »
I think the things that break when falling down the stairs are called bones >:(....the 'assistance' in falling down said stairs, IS called 'assault' which is definately illegal :o

Ps, your spell checker says 'definately' is spelt 'definITEly' which in my world, IIRC is not correct....why is the spell checker mistaken?
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Re: Dont Talk to Police - Good Videos!
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2010, 07:17:02 PM »
 [/quote] 'definately' is spelt 'definITEly'
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definitely
... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/definitely


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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2010, 07:54:02 PM »
well in my neck of the woods if an officer shot some dude 17 times he had to have been guilty of something or the police would'nt have went balls to the wall like that.

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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2010, 12:09:52 AM »
The young guys out there now learned to shoot on Nintendo...

Technology can be a great equalizer though, small digital cameras are more likely to record some evidence against the cops.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20091111/NEWS/911115012

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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2010, 08:42:37 AM »
Yep its definitely  "DEFINITELY".....I'm an idiot....or it was late....?
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Re: Dont Talk to Police - Good Videos!
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2010, 02:07:30 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neill-franklin/a-cops-advice-on-dealing-_b_783387.html#s182292

From LEAP a more practical and easy to digest version of don't talk to cops.

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Re: Dont Talk to Police - Good Videos!
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2010, 03:59:04 PM »
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As a 33-year law enforcement veteran and former training commander with the Maryland State Police and Baltimore Police Department, I know how easy it is to intimidate citizens into answering incriminating questions or letting me search through their belongings. This reality might make things easier for police looking to make an easy arrest, but it doesn't always serve the interests of justice. That's why I believe all citizens should understand how to protect their constitutional rights and make smart decisions when dealing with officers of the law.

Unfortunately, this important information has remained largely unavailable to the public, despite growing concerns about police misconduct and the excesses of the war on drugs. For this reason, I agreed to serve as a technical consultant for the important new film, 10 Rules for Dealing with Police. The 40-minute docudrama aims to educate the public about basic legal and practical survival strategies for handling even the scariest police encounters. It was produced by the civil liberties group Flex Your Rights and is narrated by former federal judge and acclaimed Baltimore trial lawyer William "Billy" Murphy, Jr.

The opening scene portrays Darren, a young black man getting pulled over. He's driving home from college. This is the fifth time he's been pulled over in a year. Frustrated and scared, Darren immediately breaks Rule #1: Always Be Calm & Cool. Mouthing off to the officer, Darren aggressively exits the car and slams the door. The officer overreacts, dropping Darren with a taser shot to his chest.

Should the officer have tased Darren in that situation? Probably not. Would the officer likely be disciplined? No. But that's not the main point of 10 Rules. The point is that the choices you make during the course of such encounters have a massive impact on whether it ends with a simple warning, a tasing -- or worse. This is true even if you've done nothing illegal.

While being calm and cool is key to getting the best possible outcome, it's not enough to keep police from violating your constitutional rights. For example, when the officer commandingly asks Darren "You're not hiding any AK-47s in there? You don't mind if I take a look?", Darren gets tricked like most people do.

Intimidated and unaware of other options, he consents to the search. The officer carelessly dumps his bags, accidentally shattering Darren's laptop on the asphalt. In another "what if" scenario, the officer finds a small amount of marijuana hidden away. While someone else might have left it there, Darren winds up getting arrested.

What few people understand, but police know all too well, is that your constitutional rights only apply if you understand and assert them. Unless they have strong evidence (i.e. probable cause) police need your permission to search your belongings or enter your home. The instant you grant them permission to invade your privacy, many of your legal protections go out the window and you're left on the hook for anything illegal the police find, as well as any damage they cause in the process.

Of course, even if you know your basic rights, police officers are trained to shake your confidence. If you refuse a search, I might respond by threatening to call in a drug-sniffing dog and sternly reminding you that things will go much easier if you cooperate. Creating a sense of hopelessness for the suspect enables us to break down their defenses and gain compliance. In the film, we show several variations on these common threats, but the main lesson is that it doesn't matter what the officer says; you still have to remain calm and protect your rights.

In today's world of smart phone video, YouTube and Twitter, stories of police abuse travel fast, creating greater awareness of the problem of police misconduct. Unfortunately, this heightened awareness often serves to reinforce the notion that "cops can do whatever they want." It's true that much work remains to be done towards ensuring police accountability, but the very first step is to educate the public about basic constitutional rights.

Citizens who understand their rights are much less likely to experience negative outcomes, both on the street and in a court of law. Until each of us has the ability to protect our individual rights and recognize injustices against others, we're not likely to accomplish much in the realm of broader policy reform.

I hope 10 Rules for Dealing with Police will be embraced by parents, teachers, activists, and even police departments as we work towards reducing the tension that too often characterizes the relationship between cops and the communities they serve.


Here are the ten rules featured in the film:

yeah good stuff salat, IMHO its defnitely worth a watch 8)
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Re: Dont Talk to Police - Good Videos!
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2010, 01:56:17 AM »
it's long been understood that black people don't have rights

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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2010, 03:34:16 AM »
Its because 70% of them are born criminals and damn proud of it flaunting it to cops like its nothing.


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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2010, 02:54:20 PM »
It's spread to mexicans, it was the Irish before that.

I think that people are bred by the way they are treated by society.  I had black friends from the islands who were shocked at the problems they encountered in America.

Look at the pic of the kid being checked out and imagine being treated that way based on where you live and how poor you are?
http://www.theledger.com/article/20101113/NEWS/11135010

I also was thinking that it seems the drug war is the replacement in American minds for the cold war.  Used to be that the only good russian was a dead russian, now it's the only good drug dealer is a dead one.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/article1073048.ece?comments=legacy
Read the comments afterwards, these are the same folks who thought the handicapped guy getting dumped from his wheelchair deserved it because he was in jail!

And this one should really test the analog act:
http://www.theledger.com/article/20101119/NEWS/11195038

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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2010, 12:52:37 AM »
Each to their own, I say give them the alternative hypothesis during the interview, they'll always get the interview in and you don't go on the stand as they never seem to even consider attacking the alternative hypothesis during evidence in chief. An alternative hypothesis = reasonable doubt, it means there is no case fit for a jury at the conclusion of their evidence & equals an acquittal. Others say people are too dumb to do this, I suspect in a lot of cases they are right, so if you doubt your ability to pull it off, don't try it.
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Re: Dont Talk to Police - Good Videos!
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2010, 01:03:15 AM »
First words out of one's mouth should always be "I exercise my right to remain silent, I do not want to be questioned unless in the presence of my attorney". Doing this simple simple thing made it so almost nothing was admissible in my case and saved me at least 10 years. Another guy tried to talk his way out of it. When he finally saw his attorney he called him a dumbass and told him that he would have gotten completely off had he not said anything. He instead is looking at 25 to life.

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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2011, 02:12:22 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2011, 07:21:37 AM »
  i HAVE TO  Second that,,Vesp you have done an amazing thing here ,,and its starting to go faster with more new members,,and more online more and more often
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