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Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« on: March 26, 2009, 02:13:12 AM »
Man it's hard to find a seller for cases of matches.

http://www.webstaurantstore.com/book-of-matches-2500-cs/564MATCHBOOK.html

20-matches per book. Sold by the case. Case contains 50 boxes, each box contains 50 matchbooks. 2500 matchbooks total.

According to a thread on WD....
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SWIM`s friend usually yields 7 to 10 grams of  RP(per 1000 books)

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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2009, 02:25:43 AM »
That isn't to terribly bad.
I wonder why a matchbook company hasn't cashed in on this demand for phosphorous? You'd think one would by putting on an extra thick layer of RP. A lot of people all over the world would be more likely to buy those!
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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2009, 09:37:16 PM »
Because I'm pretty sure psuedoephedrine has been outlawed throughout the US, and the law is making it's way through mexico and canada.  That would be the biggest target market, not the guys making armstrongs mix with red phosphorus (I'd imagine that would be fairly stupid, due to the glass fragments in all RP strikers)

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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2009, 06:16:48 PM »
I guess, but it still sounds like it would make a ton of money even with twice the RP on the box. I should get to know someone who works at a match box factory :P
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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2009, 08:31:49 PM »
Psssst..  isn't there a super-copious amount (by matchbook standards) of RP-based striker material on the caps of red traffic fusees? Or is that just on the old school wooden-handled ones i found?

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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2009, 08:45:42 PM »
I'm not familiar with what a red traffic fuse is, can you show a picture of one, or a link? I looked, but I only found some little weird electronic device.
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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2009, 07:52:18 AM »
Perhaps he's talking about traffic flares.  Flares would be a great place to get RP... if you didn't have to pay for them.  I can't imagine there being more than 250-500mg on each flare though.  So yes, if they each had 500mg on them, it would only take 20 flares to get 10g.  However, 2000 matchbooks will also get you 10g of red P, costing around $60.  Typical road flares I have seen at stores are 3-4 and up to 5 bucks each, which would be 60, 80, or 100 dollars respectively.  If you can find flares for under $3, it would be advantageous to use those instead, assuming the following:

Flare strikers each have ~500mg of red P
1box (50 matchbooks) are $1.50 each

Again though, if you have a crate full that your grandfather left out in the rain or something, grab them! RP isn't affected by rain, just the compound used in the flare.

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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2009, 02:09:40 AM »
welding rods

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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2009, 03:17:31 AM »
Lot of places sell elcheapo match boxes, with 2 somewhat dismal strikers each end. Obviously the matchbooks have more P content, but if one had privy the other, cost effective, then it would still contain? or are these match books a seperate ingrediant mix???

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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2009, 01:22:59 PM »
Quote from: German on August 03, 2009, 02:09:40 AM
welding rods

Do they have welding rods with pure RP? Or does one have to separate the RP form other components? Details please!

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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009, 05:21:35 AM »
Quote from: fnord on October 24, 2009, 01:22:59 PM
Quote from: German on August 03, 2009, 02:09:40 AM
welding rods

Do they have welding rods with pure RP? Or does one have to separate the RP form other components? Details please!

 I have never heard of welding rods with RP in them. I'm thinking its something to do with Phosphor Bronze.
 ie, theres Bronze welding rods for gas welding.
 But theres no way to get Phosphous out of it.

 With Phosphor Bronze they add in some sort of metal with it in it. They do not use pure Red Phosphorus at all.

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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2009, 05:17:08 AM »
Quote from: Vesp on March 26, 2009, 02:25:43 AM
That isn't to terribly bad.
I wonder why a matchbook company hasn't cashed in on this demand for phosphorous? You'd think one would by putting on an extra thick layer of RP. A lot of people all over the world would be more likely to buy those!

Ha! That would be nice, but what they've done is the opposite. Have you seen the checkerboard strikers? They have just a small fraction of the RP the others contain. Likewise, road flares used to have it caked on, but now it's a very thin layer. I think the government found a way to put pressure on match manufacturers, just like they did with the makers of Red Devil lye, etc.

Not very long ago when someone I knew used to harvest RP from matchbooks, she would get about 0.5g from each box. Now I'm hearing that you can only get 7-8g from a case!? That's pitiful. What's the world coming to?

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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2009, 05:49:54 AM »
since this is a meth related thread how bout a little disinfo for shit's and grins :D

it's the heads not the strikers u want kewl huh???

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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2009, 10:04:14 AM »
if you were a commercial operator you would'nt be asking questiions like this. why so small minded???

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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2009, 08:40:48 PM »
The road flares also have a common problem of having the red phos on the striker caps removed and replaced with red fingernail polish. BTDT. Years ago.

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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2009, 06:23:41 AM »
Not only that, Geez, but it's gotten to where it takes a whole box of razor blades to scrape just a single box or matchbook strikers. Sheesh!

I hate that because I always cut my fingers. I think I hit an artery this morning because here it is fifteen hours later and it's still bleeding.

I should have gone with the damn gun bluing in the first place.

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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2009, 04:12:11 PM »
dude you need to find another line of work

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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2009, 04:57:55 PM »
Prepuce why scrape the matchbooks in the first place? Cut off the strikers and soak them in IpOH/Acetone or something simular and with a good stir it will fall right off. Dry your solvents first or else you will end with cellouse in the recovered RP. As well if you stir and allow only a little to settle before decating you will get some real high quality RP settleing out with a real fine structure to it. Im left to assume that much of what settles first is just silica because it will sparkel under bright sunlight.
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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2009, 09:14:14 PM »
You obviously are not involved in local politics and are not familiar with companies that print your candidates names on matchbook covers for you distribute as if they were campaign cards. Those folks much prefer you order multiple cases, frankly.

We aren't talking cheap, mind you...

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Re: Matchbooks or Red Phosphorus
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2009, 01:23:34 AM »
sEdit- Sshhh! They'll hear you. Scraping matchbooks is just something we tell the newbees to scare away those who don't have the patience and determination to become good bees. I was just trying to join in the spirit with Geez and Jon.

Besides, I get all the RP I need now by evaporating red food coloring. (It's made from bugs, did you know that? No shit-- http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_red_food_color_made_of)

I get about 1.5g from a bottle, but for some reason it doesn't seem to work very well in a reaction.

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