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Explanation of 'LD50'
« on: March 27, 2009, 09:40:41 PM »
LD50 means 'Lethal dose -50% kill rate" to put it simply. It means its the dose at which minimum 50% of test subjects are killed. Thats it in a nutshell.

Here is a list of LD50's I ripped off WIKI

Substance    Animal, Route    LD50    Reference
Water    rat, oral    90 mL/kg (~90,000 mg/kg)    [7]
Sucrose (table sugar)    rat, oral    29,700 mg/kg    [8]
Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)    rat, oral    11,900 mg/kg    [9]
Grain alcohol (ethanol)    rat, oral    7,060 mg/kg    [10]
Table Salt    rat, oral    3,000 mg/kg    [11]
Paracetamol (acetaminophen)    rat, oral    1,944 mg/kg    [12]
THC (main psychoactive substance in Cannabis)    rat, oral    1,270 mg/kg males; 730 mg/kg females    [13]
Aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid)    rat, oral    200 mg/kg    [14]
Caffeine    rat, oral    192 mg/kg    [15]
Nicotine    rat, oral    50 mg/kg    [16]
Strychnine    rat, oral    16 mg/kg    [17]
Sodium cyanide    rat, oral    6.4 mg/kg    [18]
Aflatoxin B1 (from Aspergillus flavus)    rat, oral    0.048 mg/kg    [19]
Dioxin (TCDD)    rat, oral    0.020 mg/kg    [20]
Batrachotoxin (from poison dart frog)    human, sub-cutaneous injection    0.002-0.007 mg/kg (estimated)    [21]
Polonium 210    human, inhalation    0.00001 mg/kg (estimated)    [22]
Botulinum toxin (Botox)    human, oral, injection    0.000001 mg/kg (estimated)    [23]

Hydrocodone: 375 mg/kg

Alcohol: 10.6 g/kg

THC: 1270 mg/kg (No one has ever OD'd on weed)

Nicotine: 50 mg/kg

Vitamin C: 11.9 g/kg

Caffeine: 192 mg/Kg

Cocaine: 95.1 mg/kg

DMT: 110 mg/kg

5-MeO-DMT: 115 mg/kg

MDMA: 350 mg/kg

Codeine: 427 mg/kg

Mescaline: 880 mg/kg

Diphenhydramine: 500mg/kg

Morphine: 461 mg/kg

Alprazolam: 331 mg/kg

Phenobarbital: 176 mg/kg

Diazepam: 720 mg/kg

Methqualone: 326 mg/kg

Psilocybin: 280 mg/kg

Methamphetamine: 55 mg/kg

Methylphenidate: 350 mg/kg

Zolpidem: 695 mg/kg

Aspirin: 1500 mg/kg

Acetaminophen: 500 mg/kg

Fentanyl: 0.03mg/kg

Ketamine: 500 mg/Kg

GHB: 1100mg/kg

Dextroamphetamine: 96.8 mg/kg

Methadone: 30 mg/kg

PCP: 130 mg/kg

Codeine: 427 mg/kg

Mescaline: 880 mg/kg

Diphenhydramine: 500mg/kg

Morphine: 461 mg/kg

Alprazolam: 331 mg/kg

Phenobarbital: 176 mg/kg

Diazepam: 720 mg/kg

Methqualone: 326 mg/kg

Psilocybin: 280 mg/kg

Methamphetamine: 55 mg/kg

Methylphenidate: 350 mg/kg

Zolpidem: 695 mg/kg

Aspirin: 1500 mg/kg

Acetaminophen: 500 mg/kg

Fentanyl: 0.03mg/kg

Ketamine: 500 mg/Kg

GHB: 1100mg/kg

Dextroamphetamine: 96.8 mg/kg

Methadone: 30 mg/kg

Diphenhydramine: 500mg/kg

LSD : 12,000 ug => 12mg/kg

Clonazepam: > 4000 mg/kg

Iron (often used as a nutritional supplement): 1250 mg/kg

Ambien: limited info, anecdotal report of recovery from ingestion of 400 mg



Links...
http://www.asanltr.com/newsletter/02-2/articles/Neurotoxins.htm
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/health/psychoactives_ld50s.shtml
http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/L/LD50.html
http://paipm.cas.psu.edu/1024.htm
http://delloyd.50megs.com/hazard/LD50.html
http://web.singnet.com.sg/~chuaeecc/venom/rpotent.htm
http://www.bnl.gov/esh/shsd/Programs/Program_Area_Chemicals_Highly_Acute_Toxins.asp
http://www.ilo.org/public/english/protection/safework/cis/products/safetytm/toxic.htm
http://mv.lycaeum.org/mu/LD50_list.html

More once I have time. Sorry for duplicates in the list - it was compiled from many sources.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2009, 09:42:34 PM by Hex »

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Re: Explanation of 'LD50'
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2009, 03:02:19 AM »
Very impressive list! Great work.
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Re: Explanation of 'LD50'
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2009, 02:10:14 PM »
More work is on its way ASAP, once I have time. I may invest in a few rats to do *cough* animal tests on. Also - they are rats! Rats need extermination! I may do a few 'red mist' tests on the corpses to relieve my anger and depression too!

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Re: Explanation of 'LD50'
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2010, 04:33:19 AM »
Disgusting.

Why the hell do we need to know how much of something it takes to kill a rat?

Often, the chemistry doesn't even hold from rat-primate models.

For instance take MPTP and give it to a rat, it does no damage, primate? instant parkinsons, and rodents are capable of getting olneys lesions from NMDA antagonists, whilst they have never been seen in primates.

Sounded to me like your just looking for an excuse to cause animals suffering, which is one of the first signs of a psychopath/sociopath.
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Re: Explanation of 'LD50'
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2010, 05:16:47 AM »
another example is safrole, I think? It causes cancer in rats, but not in humans. Rats use a different metabolic pathway that I think leads to some form of an epoxide, while we do not. Is this true?

He didn't actually kill the rats -- he just got the data, and I think the data can be of some use..
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Re: Explanation of 'LD50'
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2010, 05:34:53 AM »
Oh I thought he was suggesting going to find some for experimentation just because the rat population needs reducing.

Hell if I'd want a vicious, maneating monster the size of a small cat, hissing and spitting and squealing from behind the bars of its cage whilst I tried to nail it in the right place with a microsyringe either, christ alive knows what those critters carry.

Looking at his post, he did indeed seem strongly and clearly, to imply exactly that.

Bad karma IMO
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Re: Explanation of 'LD50'
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2010, 10:29:11 PM »
Oh you are right! I missed that part. Good call.
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Re: Explanation of 'LD50'
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2010, 10:57:42 PM »
Well, my last post in this thread vanished. Probably a glitch, my Linux is acting all wierd.
Or maybe it just looked a bit odd and a mod axed it. Whatever.

I am not some psycho in training, just a strange person who prefers to see things first hand.

Like, I could read all day about how (insert toxin here) affects a rat... And still be clueless about it!
As far as I am concerned, the only way to LEARN is to SEE.

Not that I plan on gassing/injecting a heap of darn expensive lab-rats soon anyways! But, if, say for a dissection or such, I had to euthanasing a few, I would have no problem gassing em, or poisoning their feed. Though I would probably just use CO2, the way 'proper labs' do it.

If, say, I had to determine if, lets say, a new drug, was toxic via ingestion... Feed it to the feckin rats! However, that is ONLY if I was in a PROPER research setting where such is the norm.

Apparently dogs are closer to humans in the LD-50 thing. But that is cruel way to end a life - if a dig had to be euthanased in a rapid manner, I would either call a vet, or shoot it.

BUT, that is ALL off topic!

BACK on topic....

Good call on the thing about how rats and primates don't respond the same, and IIRC the LD-50 is actually obsolete. Cant remember who said it though...

While originally I planned to do some tests... I have a conscience. And anyways, I own a cat. She is my rodent population reducer extrordinare!

I was wondering, would a .pdf covering TETS synthesis, toxicology, and potential use be of any value to this section?

And, does anyone here have access to toxicology journals or chemistry journals - I could easily find MANY a reference that would benefit us, but I cant actually GET the articles.

Actually... Vesp, will I email you the article, prior to posting it here? I gotta finish it first though!

BTW, I edited the post you moved. For... Posterity. There musta been something in the water!
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