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director of sound

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is speed really that easy?
« on: November 04, 2010, 10:43:20 AM »
i came across a synth where benzaldehyde is refluxed with nitroethane and ammonium acetate to yield the nitropropene and reduced to amphetamine. and benzladehyde in 90%+ yields by fractional distillation/hydrolysis of cinnamonaldehyde in water with NaOH and sodium lauryl sulfate yielding bendaldehyde and acetaldehyde. i could play with that...... actually anyone could... now how would one extract sodium lauryl sulfate form shampoo...... ???



http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4673766.html cinnimonandehyde to benzaldehyde


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Re: is speed really that easy?
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2010, 10:46:33 AM »
on a second note the benzaldehyde synth i found used raw cassia oil which is about 72% cinnimonaldehyde. i have about 100ml cinnimon bark oil which is 80%+ cost me $15... this really could be like baking a cake so to say.

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Re: is speed really that easy?
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2010, 12:46:58 AM »
Just buy the sodium lauryl sulfate.  It's cheap and not suspect.

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Re: is speed really that easy?
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2010, 02:17:26 AM »
No offence Vesp or DOS for that matter but you all really feel this thread is more suited for the den of iniquity other then the trash bin?

It appears little thought and researched where put into this thread and he is grasping for straws at ever possible turn. The Henry reaction is well researched and documented and the cinnamon oil hydrolysis is well documented also by Science madness members of years past. Also the OP needs to understand what role sodium lauryl sulfate plays in the reaction and substitutes that could be used. It is nothing more then a PTC.
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Re: is speed really that easy?
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2010, 09:32:07 AM »
Agreed! C`mon mantain the standard.

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Re: is speed really that easy?
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2010, 10:28:36 AM »
i apologize, i have never really looked into amphetamine synthesis aside from a few quick looks at MDMA. ive been more into synthesis of various psychedelics rather than stims. it was never my thing but never the less found it interesting that it was really so easily made. but i do think this route may need a second look, i know one could easily methylate this and have methamphetamine and probilly much cleaner and easier that grabbing up 20 boxes of cold medicine. it cost me $15 for the cinnimonaldehyde, lye is super cheap (i get 10kg for about $30), the SLS is $15 for a pound  and nitroethane can be easily made from sodium ethyl sulfate and sodium nitrite (the SES is a little pricey though) conceivably from a total of around $200 (minus glassware) with 100ml cinnimonaldehyde even with a 75% yield across the board one could hope to get 50-60g of amphetamine.... play with it some more and you could get something better.....

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Re: is speed really that easy?
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2010, 12:47:40 PM »
I concluded a while back that anyone intending to go down the amphetamine route should seriously consider this:

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/p2p.manganese.html


40% for benzene.  All of the reagents cheap as hell and readily available, and you're not dealing with the awful yields on most EtNO2 syntheses.

(Note:  Party helium is not inert, it has O2 mixed in to make it cheaper.  Argon is available from welding suppliers.)

The 39% yield for dimethoxybenzene interests me personally.

It should be noted that the yields are based on the amount of Mn(OAc)3, which is used in quite a small amount relative to the amount of acetone and benzene.  I don't know if this was done on purpose to specifically measure the yield in respect to it or if it is necessary for proper reaction, but the excess reagents are recoverable and scale-ups could be attempted.
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Re: is speed really that easy?
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2010, 08:19:55 PM »
Would the manganese method work for MDP2P From say catechol?

Also, it would appear that if the UV conversion of para-dichlorobenzene to hydroquinone worked which it appears too, then you could easily form the para-dimethoxybenzene.  Then use the method outlined in your link to convert to 2,5dimethoxy P2P.  This would be brilliant for OTC synthesis of substituted 2,5 dimethoxy amphetamines and phenthylamines!

Taking a look at pihkal this could serve for a feasible route to 2,5-dimethoxy phenethylamine and 2,5 dimethoxy amphetamine.  Both of which are a quick step from there halogenated amphs/phens...

Very interesting.

At SM they discuss forming the phenol ethers, and it seems quite simple.

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?action=printable&fid=10&tid=4287
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