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Over unity motors
« on: November 09, 2010, 07:53:24 AM »
  I think this stuff is pretty amazing...there is much to look at...the solely magnetic motors are fabulous..particularly the one with the rotating magnets..: this one:   "magnet motor FREE POWER PERENDEV NO GASOLINE" type it in at you tube, and blow your mind.. :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDDWhr84h0Q


  Adams Motor

  Uled byRonL2524   a really early example using commodore 64 parts!  also the Lutec Overunity Motor 362% overunity!


  And for you tinkerers out there...vesp this could go well at  thelab.  "Free energy in minutes step by step "......just an idea ;)

                          
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2010, 02:40:00 PM »
Charlatans have been saying they could create such things for centuries, but none of them have been able to stand up to the scrutiny of the scientific method  ;)  These devices violate the second law of thermodynamics:

h**ps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

h**p://secondlaw.oxy.edu/

that's why patents that claim such things are prohibited by the Patent Office  ::)  Unfortunately, P T Barnum was right about the human race   :P Generally speaking, entropy is always increasing  8)
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2010, 04:56:44 PM »
Did anyone else get a flashback to Epistomologicide/ Jemma Jammerson there?

The Irish company Steorn was the latest to publically fail with an endevour such as this.



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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2010, 09:09:54 PM »
If you want to get real with overunity you need to look into the plasma electrolysis experiments kicked off by Kanarev.   
http://www.rexresearch.com/kanarev/kanarev1.htm
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/plasmaelectrolysis.htm

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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2010, 01:10:36 AM »
No matter what all over unity machines FAIL. Like lugh said it violates the laws of the universe.


However it will oneday be possible to use the energy that we ignore such as telleric currents and such to power machines but this is not something for nothing it is the use of an untapped force being put to use. Tesla lead this field back in the day but his smarts slowly drove him insain and left his words at the time to be worth about as much as his stocks.
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2010, 05:56:17 AM »
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No matter what all over unity machines FAIL. Like lugh said it violates the laws of the universe.
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   Yeah, so did lasers until they were discovered..as is well noted, our so called "laws" are getting "broken" regularly......I could go on but I wont...I am surprised that you consider electromagnetism so "finite"....ah,,where does it stop/finish/end again? I cant seem to recall

   ah ye of little imagination ::)   


 aaaaaand what of that norwegian dudes perpetual motion machine?.....has it stopped yet? ???
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2010, 07:00:23 AM »
A laser beam is a result of activation energy being reached causing the release of photons, so exactly how does one constitute a violation of the second law of thermodynamics  ???  The chemical reactions that are discussed here are also a result of activation energy, the fact is that all events and phenomena that can be observed and quantified obey the second law of thermodynamics  :)  Has that fellow in Norway let his perpetual motion machine be examined by real scientists, surely it must be clear that anything seen on the internet could be a fabrication using modern day technology  :P  It certainly is possible that Tesla's telleric currents or some sort of novel fusion process could provide a lot of low cost energy but there are established business interests that will oppose such things to preserve their profits as long as possible ::)  Our understanding of the universe will undoubtedly advance in unpredictable ways but the scientific method is the best tool that exists for learning the truth  ;D  Charlatans have always had an easy time finding support, hope springs eternal in the human race  8)
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2010, 12:57:46 PM »
  
Ah yes I did make a mistake in the construction of that answer ( I didnt mean to challenge the reference to the second law of thermodynamics,for a variety of reasons,the foremost being I think its flawed..but thats for another time and place:P),,I was attempting to draw a parallel re; laws becoming outdated....after all, whats "laws" are there that relate to what 'light' is?..Not "how it behaves",, but "what it is comprised/composed of?..What exactly is a "photon"...We have "ideas" at best....I believe there are BIG HOLES in our current comprehension of many things, both physical and intellectual/spiritual :-\
  
    What I meant to say was that 'prior' to coherent light being 'made',,or 'discovered ( it was always there, like EVERYTHING that has yet to be 'uncovered/iscovered' ;D) such a device was "impossible" and really, aside from being able to utilise aspects of the things for our purposes, "we" as a species, have a VERY limited understanding of most, aspects of the electromagnetic spectrum; e.g. "light" from the infra red visible spectrum through to ultraviolet, to name just a spick of the (EM) spectrum...but were learning, I think the Large Hadron Collider will provide some VERY interesting and controversial data...we  shall see ;)

  
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It certainly is possible that Tesla's telleric currents or some sort of novel fusion process could provide a lot of low cost energy but there are established business interests that will oppose such things to preserve their profits as long as possible
  Too true and seriously sad, however I think the internet and the sharing of knowledge and ideas, will bring about major changes,(who had heard of a 'viral video' 5years ago?) and initally wonderful technologies.that can, and might change the way we live in unprecedented ways, with equally unprecedented sociological changes, both "good" and "bad"

   Did you have a look at the video of the Perendev motor?.. I watched an extrordinary  video on Youtube the other day, that was REMOVED immediately after I watched it :o with a note saying so, when I tried to replay it..I told vesp about it, and I think I will try to make what I saw.....give me a few months :P

  Nikola Telsla was one of my scientific heroes and a major inspiration for me to investigate 'alternative phenomena'..of all sorts....there are still many mysteries out there...

   After all, what kind of reception do you think you would you get, from the 1959 "Scientific Community"... if you were able to go back to that period with say, a laser pointer, and a 12volt dc DVD player, and a few discs?, or even (just!!!) a digital camera!!!

   I reckon it would be kinda fun! 8) but I have NO doubt I would encounter hoards of highly qualified disbelievers
    
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2010, 12:08:01 AM »
The second law of thermodynamics is a consequence of repeated careful observations of nature, and it would take extraordinary evidence to challenge it. But there is precedent: in the 20th century it was found that Newton's laws do not properly describe motion at very small spatial scales or very high speeds. There was extraordinary evidence for the extraordinary claim that Newton wasn't always right. A single working free energy design would be all that's needed to challenge the second law of thermodynamics. Free energy schemes don't fail because scientists are dogmatic or because incumbent industries would suffer from competition. They fail because they don't work. Video is not proof to the contrary any more than it proves light sabers and telekinesis really exist.

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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2010, 05:01:11 AM »
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it was found that Newton's laws do not properly describe motion at very small spatial scales or very high speeds. There was extraordinary evidence for the extraordinary claim that Newton wasn't always right.

  And who's to say that's the "only" error?   Again I ask,,"what IS light?" where are the "LAWS?" re; visible light? (i'll keep it simple) answer this, and you will have my attention...

 As is well documented, Nikola Tesla died a pauper!.........Why??? Surely no-one doubts his talents...I am writing this as a direct result of some of his "inventions"

  Coz he wanted to GIVE FREE ENERGY TO THE WORLD...and J.P.Morgan couldn't meter it :( poor cunt!!!

 Again, did anyone have a look at the videos, so that the comments are less "abstract?" ;D
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2010, 06:39:48 AM »
Tesla died poor because he made a foolish mistake of turning over his stock to westinghouse or atlest something along those lines when the company was having hard times. Else he would have died one of the richest men of that era.

Light has laws. They are normally ignored due to the small effect an individual photon posseses and there effect is better sumed up in a generalized equations of there effects.
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2010, 12:49:37 PM »
Tesla was a pauper because after George Westinghouse died the corporation quit honoring their debt    :P  J P Morgan was upset because Tesla didn't do what he wanted him to do, instead he developed the wireless transmission of energy  ::)  That's why Tesla's role in history has been minimized:

h**ps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

h**p://www.ntesla.org/

Tesla bounced a coherent beam of electromagnetic waves off the moon in 1918, he was simply way ahead of the rest of humanity  ;) History books have been rewritten by the publishing companies crediting others with his creations  8)

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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2010, 09:22:27 PM »
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it was found that Newton's laws do not properly describe motion at very small spatial scales or very high speeds. There was extraordinary evidence for the extraordinary claim that Newton wasn't always right.

  And who's to say that's the "only" error?   Again I ask,,"what IS light?" where are the "LAWS?" re; visible light? (i'll keep it simple) answer this, and you will have my attention...

Somehow I sense this is not a good-faith request for a quantum electrodynamics textbook :-P

We know that science is not a completed edifice. Quantum mechanics and general relativity have still not been reconciled in an experimentally verified way, for example. There are still vast cosmological mysteries around the so-called "dark energy" and "dark matter." Scientific knowledge and laws are always open to revision in light of new evidence.

The problem with cranks is that they don't have the new evidence for their new claims.

As a historical example of what a genuine scientific/technological energy breakthrough looks like, consider nuclear energy. In 1890 the idea that sub-microscopic physical processes could liberate orders of magnitude more energy than chemical reactions was extraordinary. Nobody had observed them before and few were even looking for them. But in 1895 x-rays were discovered. Becquerel discovered natural radioactivity a year later. Hundreds of scientists around the world swiftly reproduced these findings and began their own investigations of natural and artificial radioactivity. By 1900 Marie Curie had isolated two previously unknown elements, both radioactive, and the vast energetic potential of nuclear transformations was known.

Nuclear physics remained an extremely active area of research in the 20th century. Fission was discovered in 1938, and 7 years later was reduced to practice in extraordinary new weapons. Less than 10 years after that even more powerful fusion weapons were manufactured, and fission was also used to provide controlled power. It took less than less than a single year for Becquerel's initial findings to be widely and easily reproduced by skeptical scientists, and less than 50 years to lead to the world's most powerful artificial energy source.

On the other hand, Tesla claimed in 1900 that he could tap an even more extraordinary "cosmic energy." He never shared a device or provided enough information for others to reproduce his work. His claimed extraordinary discovery has yet to reproducibly power so much as a light bulb, more than a century later, despite the interest that his claims excited and still excite. His more extreme fans paper over this long history of failure to deliver with byzantine excuses. Tesla's great accomplishments should be celebrated. His even greater claims should not be celebrated in advance of their reproducible laboratory demonstration.

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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2010, 06:55:59 PM »
or we could build an airplane that runs on cocaine

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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2010, 11:13:20 PM »
  I am surprised by your collective negativity.....not too long ago (a few years), a mathematician came up with an answer to "Fermats last theorem"...many great mathematicians had been trying for hundreds of YEARS but had not been able to find it....most said "there IS NO answer possible, it cant be done..and for over 200 years they were correct ..
Then some dude named Andrew came along and sais he had 'worked out' Fermats last theorem... but when he gave his lecture, it 'appeared' he got it wrong!!! BUT he was close enough, that with a little 'tweaking'  he won a Noble prize

  "Somehow I sense this is not a good-faith request for a quantum electrodynamics textbook"   correct!!

  I was hoping to find a liitle more open mindedness here...oh well...clearly no one here has had much of a look around at whats going on in this world...might as well send this thread to vacuos posts eh? its just bullshit no one wants to 'discuss'
 "possibilities"

   "or we could build an airplane that runs on cocaine" ha fuckin ha....someone delete this thread
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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2010, 11:38:06 PM »
hynos i did'nt take your devtion to this subject so seriously!
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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2010, 01:51:38 AM »
I think your taking it a bit to personally hypnos, you must understand your dealing with a collective of scientific minds and even though many of us do not have the credentials like paid scientist the mindset is still in place. It will take some convincing on my part for me to toss out the scientific laws that I had mastered by the second grade. Hell im still not fully convinced of quantum theory after all these years because it has been flawed to many times yet Newtons theory has stood the test of time over macroscopic objects so to change my mind overnight would be a major undertaking.

And this is comming from someone who has some of the more stranger theorys in the world on the nature of reality.
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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2010, 02:11:55 AM »
  na man I was just in a bit of a down mood when I wrote that, :(  my computer shat its keybooard..only lik 7 keys but I'd had to but another keyboardand  I just logged in now to edit it, however since you replied, I'll let it stand...

   What I was trying to 'get at'  is that since we are "surrounded" by electromagnetic particlewaves, that can be 'tapped' in a variety of ways,,whadya reckon?  this is the 'den of iniquity' not 'stupidity'..
    I think in times like these, i,e 2010 with very strong permanent magnets e.g neodymium magnets, its IMO interesting to see what we can "do" with them, as well as other sources of magenetism
  
   After all we are 'floating' in the earths magnetic field which a) is free, and b) has "peculiarities" neither fully understood
or possibly utilised in such a way to generate electricity.for example....there ARE anomalies and I thought a tribe of 'free radicals' here, might have some input..... wrong 'field' I guess..  shoulda stuck to chemistry

"i sill think it's possible to create propulsion with cocaine yet i know of only one way" Lol :) matey,, I wish...not even money can buy that kind of motivation in my world currently. :-\....thanx for the reply though, jonmon....I can see your definitely improving.good to see 8)

edit< Yo sedit I hear you, and I apologise for my "depressed post" once again, as well as let you know I appreciate youre input....Ok! give me a bit more time and I think I can come up with some at least "interesting" examples...for some reason I fucked up ALL the reference's earlier which for starters, i'll try and fix asap...cheers hyppy
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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2010, 02:47:05 AM »
Given the extremely low strength of earths magnetic field I see very little use in harvesting its magnetic field thru any other method but Telluric currents. As the suns particals put pressure on the earths magnetic field they disrupt it compressing it on one side and expanding it on the other. As the earth rotates it ever so slightly cuts thru the magnetic field lines generating an electrical current of pretty high potential that encircle the earth everyday reaching there peaks as far as I know at sun rise and sun set. This is the best chance of reaching a purpertual motion machine IMHO because if something where able to harness and transform this energy into something useable then a world of possibilitys open up. If you look into the you will see that the potentials that can be generated thru this means can be dramatic.

Tesla had goals of artificially creating such currents thru the use of generators if I remember correctly. Many think his goals where airwave based but from what Iv seen of his work most of the transmission lay in the ground itself and lose of the power thru topload capacitors and such where strictly avoided. He made his toploads for the Wardenclyffe Tower extra large just to avoid such losses and he envisioned two opposing towers on either side of the world reflecting these energys back and forth.
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From Beyond Reason:

An intriguing passage in a seventeen-hundred-year-old Sanskrit book on astronomy, the Siddhanta Ciromani, describes a self-turning wheel. Its outer rim or tread was to be drilled with equally spaced holes that (probably) pointed not toward the axis, but a little ahead of it, so to speak. Each hole was half ?lled with mercury and then sealed. The passage claims that if the wheel was properly supported, it would turn forever.

Hope springs eternal  8)

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