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DEA schedules five cannabinoids using its emergency powers
« on: November 25, 2010, 07:11:07 AM »
Three JWH compounds and two CP :(

federalregister.gov/articles/2010/11/24/2010-29600/schedules-of-controlled-substances-temporary-placement-of-five-synthetic-cannabinoids-into-schedule

The Deputy Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is issuing this notice of intent to temporarily place five synthetic cannabinoids into the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) pursuant to the temporary scheduling provisions under 21 U.S.C. 811(h) of the CSA. The substances are 1-pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-018), 1-butyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-073), 1-[2-(4-morpholinyl)ethyl]-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-200), 5-(1,1-dimethylheptyl)-2-[(1 R, 3 S)-3-hydroxycyclohexyl]-phenol (CP-47,497), and 5-(1,1-dimethyloctyl)-2-[(1 R, 3 S)-3-hydroxycyclohexyl]-phenol (cannabicyclohexanol; CP-47,497 C8 homologue). This intended action is based on a finding by the DEA Deputy Administrator that the placement of these synthetic cannabinoids into Schedule I of the CSA is necessary to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety. Finalization of this action will impose criminal sanctions and regulatory controls of Schedule I substances under the CSA on the manufacture, distribution, possession, importation, and exportation of these synthetic cannabinoids.

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Re: DEA schedules five cannabinoids using its emergency powers
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2010, 06:19:46 PM »
Yeah I heard about this. That is interesting they only choose five. I heard people saying that jwh-250 or something like that is one of the better ones and it isn't even going to be regulated.
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Re: DEA schedules five cannabinoids using its emergency powers
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2010, 07:19:28 PM »
Doesn't the JWH-250 come under the analog act by default since the others are now scheduled?
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Re: DEA schedules five cannabinoids using its emergency powers
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2010, 07:49:43 PM »
I have never heard a face to face first hand experiance with some of these headshop alternatives specificly K2 that was pleasent anyway so im not sure its that big of a loss. Personally I hate cannabinoids anyway but my brain chemistry can't exactly handle them correctly so I guess im a bit bias on this one.
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Re: DEA schedules five cannabinoids using its emergency powers
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2010, 07:54:50 PM »
They are just putting the economic incentive back in the hands of the criminals...  This scheduling seems very counter-productive in there war on drugs... just saying.

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Re: DEA schedules five cannabinoids using its emergency powers
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2010, 01:25:42 AM »
Quote from: embezzler on November 25, 2010, 07:19:28 PM
Doesn't the JWH-250 come under the analog act by default since the others are now scheduled?

Yes if it is sold for consumption but when it is being sold as a fertilizer, just like methylone - only the people who know what it is really know how to find it, etc -- but it still makes it widely available and when it is sold as a fertilizer it kind of makes the court case - or whatever, more mucky and hard to deal with.. and additionally when it is online it seems like no one is sure on who should be taking action to stop it - I guess? I am not sure.
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Re: DEA schedules five cannabinoids using its emergency powers
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2010, 03:40:22 AM »
I know people that "manufacture" and distribute these herbal smoking blends commercially.  While scheduling these cannabanoids, the analogue act makes many others illegal.  All this means is a) huge black market in smoking blends that won't show up on UA and b) new cannabanoids which are still legal will be synthesized and distributed.  During these recent poor economic times in the US many headshop owners say that these herbal smoking blends are the only thing that kept them in business.  One weekend and an enterprising headshop can make 4k (profits) off the blends alone.

Banning these RC's is like playing "whack-a-mole" but everytime the mole resurfaces he becomes more dangerous and mysterious.  God knows whats gona happen when our kids are smoking 10th generation RC's.   

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Re: DEA schedules five cannabinoids using its emergency powers
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2010, 04:24:03 AM »
I hate cannibinoids.  It's just complete disorientation and chest pressure without any kind of euphoria.

But if people had access to many of the currently scheduled compounds there wouldn't be anywhere near the same kind of incentive for people to try these things.  Whether these are dangerous or not (although I'm leaning toward not, though ill-advised) when these are scheduled, you're just going to drive more people toward whatever comes next, which will likely be even less pleasant.

A proper education campaign and allowing dosage labeling would be less expensive and do far more for public health.  But of course that isn't the world we live in.

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Re: DEA schedules five cannabinoids using its emergency powers
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2010, 12:17:36 PM »
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Yes if it is sold for consumption but when it is being sold as a fertilizer, just like methylone - only the people who know what it is really know how to find it, etc


There is no way that someone is going to convince a jury that they made a business selling pipes, papers and bath salts/ fertilizer and took in 4,000 a weekend. I wouldn't believe it if someone tried to feed me that shit sandwitch in a courtroom. Those guys are kidding themselves if they think that will work.

There is a "substantially similar" clause in that act too.

No ammount of mislabelling is going to save your ass if it comes down to it IMHO. My advice would be either dont do it or treat it like it is illegal and take the same precautions.
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Re: DEA schedules five cannabinoids using its emergency powers
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2010, 05:16:37 PM »
what they do is keep it under the counter and you have to askfor a specific thing or thye won't know what your talking aboout like procaine was "deoderizer" if you did'nt ask properly they were clueless.
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Re: DEA schedules five cannabinoids using its emergency powers
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2010, 07:04:18 PM »
Oh I understand what they do just not why they think that it will fly? they cant bee keeping it too much on the down low when they are pulling in 4000 in one weekend. Here they were delivering the stuff 24/7 until they got shut down.

Its not like the DEA couldnt run a simple sting operation
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Re: DEA schedules five cannabinoids using its emergency powers
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2010, 07:18:15 PM »
True true. I just don't think the DEA is too worried about a questionably legal-ish drug that is being sold on the internet as something else. :/
Or it might just because a drop shipping thing from china. That is how I kind of see the future of most drugs... just getting them directly from china for use and smaller resale.
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Re: DEA schedules five cannabinoids using its emergency powers
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2010, 08:21:35 PM »
no it won't be so open anymore is my point.
i never liked it anyway let them go after that stuff for all i care.

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Re: DEA schedules five cannabinoids using its emergency powers
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2010, 09:04:05 PM »
Quote from: overunity33 on November 26, 2010, 03:40:22 AM
I know people that "manufacture" and distribute these herbal smoking blends commercially.  While scheduling these cannabanoids, the analogue act makes many others illegal.  All this means is a) huge black market in smoking blends that won't show up on UA
I wouldn't be too sure about that... 
Redwood Toxicology Laboratory Announces Oral Fluid Test for Synthetic Cannabinoids: JWH-018, JWH-073 and JWH-250
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20101115005153/en/Redwood-Toxicology-Laboratory-Announces-Oral-Fluid-Test

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Re: DEA schedules five cannabinoids using its emergency powers
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2010, 02:34:14 AM »
Quote from: OoBYCoO on November 26, 2010, 09:04:05 PM
Quote from: overunity33 on November 26, 2010, 03:40:22 AM
I know people that "manufacture" and distribute these herbal smoking blends commercially.  While scheduling these cannabanoids, the analogue act makes many others illegal.  All this means is a) huge black market in smoking blends that won't show up on UA
I wouldn't be too sure about that... 
Redwood Toxicology Laboratory Announces Oral Fluid Test for Synthetic Cannabinoids: JWH-018, JWH-073 and JWH-250
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20101115005153/en/Redwood-Toxicology-Laboratory-Announces-Oral-Fluid-Test

You're right, because of some (profiteering) company developing an improved UA testing protocol every single UA facility will adopt it immediately, totally eliminating the demand for synthetic cannabanoids once they become banned... 
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