RoidRage you have a follower lol.  last weekend i took 320mg mda + 100mdma.  i started with 80mg mda + 100mg mdma, then a few hours later started to come down and  supplemented it with another 80mg mda.  i then supplemented that with another 160mg mda for a total of 320mg.  absolutely insane visuals, stronger than the last time i took acid, shrooms or mescaline (which were admittedly all moderate / not high doses).  i like mdma much better and have a harder time accepting that comedown, i don't know why i did what i did other than i was very forgetful that night and think that came into play in my decision making process, or lack thereof.  my wife says she thinks i took more than that but i don't think i did.  i experienced synesthesia (i tasted different colored streams of water in my head based on the sound of water running from the other room, each color tasted different) and tripped for a total of 20-23 hours.  very rough comedown but recooperated enough to go to work 2 days later.  the previous weeks i took some mda + mdma as well, so it's not like this aftermath is unexpected.

my GI tract is fucked, serious stomach movement and taking a poop after everything i eat!  never had that one before.  i still have it happening now but it has gotten better as the week progressed.  i've been taking vicodin off and on which has certainly helped that and stabilized my mood considerably.  i'm out of that now so i'll just use loperamide to keep my stomach in check for a couple extra days then ween myself off.  my emotions can be categorized as "overreacting" which i'm no stranger to the relation of that and mdxx abuse, been around that merry-go-round many times.  but the GI problems are new and must be more common with high dose mda.  i've been getting crap sleep at night also - same stuff you describe to a "T".  dreams are very intense and convincing.  i wake up confused because they're so convincing and i wake up after every individual dream.  i wake up and am very awake, takes awhile to go back to sleep only to wake up again.  i average 3-4 hours of sleep a night so that sucks.  i shouldn't have waited this long but tomorrow i'll go pick up some 5htp and take that early in the day then take opiates at night for a couple more days.

figured i might as well share this info since this is the perfect thread to do it in.  mda seems to take a bit longer to recover from than mdma.  typically with mdma abuse i'll be getting good sleep again in a couple days, probably this weekend.  we'll see if mda follows the same pattern.

thanks sedit, yep xanax is an absolute lifesaver in MANY situations and this is definitely one of them.  xanax can make the difference of your day being absolute hell or being perfectly fine.  to anyone reading this who hasn't used xanax in rough situations like this, yes it really does work that well.  i happened to have 2 bars which i have used, there is no question that using those bars made those next 2 days after taking the mda MUCH better than they would have been otherwise.  i got great sleep and the it relieved the soreness.  unfortunately there seems to be a dry spell here with xanax so i couldn't restock, otherwise i'd take a xanax each night and this would be a non-issue.  other benzos work well too.  i have a friend who has a script for klonopin but he went overboard with them this month and only has enough for him to keep withdrawals away so no luck there.

i have some oxycontin but i was saving that to trade for something weaker like vicodin or percocet, i'm not a fan of oxycontin.  i prefer my oxycodone at 10mg and watered down with acetaminophen, i'm a rare breed i know.  i surprisingly feel pretty good during the day, it's just rough at night.  i took some diphenhydramine a couple nights ago and it kept me asleep through the whole night but it made the dreams even more intense, it was seriously a bit much, i woke up confused and it took me 30 min's to figure out WTF just happened.  i'll probably take some oxy tonight, see if that helps.  surprisingly regardless of the lack of sleep and rough dreams, i feel pretty good during the day.  so at least my emotions are in check now.  things are getting better =)

5htp helps in may ways,including GI problems!
It basicaly makes serotonine you burned out!
GI problems are completely serotonin induced in this case.

Avoid klonopin,it is worst of all benzos,ask jon more about it!
It made him unfortunate for a life!

And for God sake,don't try to cover serotonin screw-up with opiates,
you don't fix anything,you just make it worse but feel better for a while!

Stick with weaker benzos and 5htp.
I like to mix some diazepam to relax muscles and jaw tension (since I am stiff like statue after MDxx)
and bromazepam or small doses of xanax to fix serotonin screw-up and give you a good sleep!

To avoid unplesant MDxx crash just make citrate salt instead of HCl.
It lasts longer and you can have great sleep after it releases you!

NPH,as I said many times and I will say it again: MAKE MDxx.CItrate!!!
Allmost no comedown at all! it just releases you like a weed!

I newer heard of CaCO3 suplement use,but with citracte you get
you need to increase dose maybe by 10% to get
same strengt high as with HCl and high is much better in quality!
Highs are allmost like those first few magic times!

Main and only drawback of citrate is that it is bitch to get crystals,
so simply make solution and measure your dose by volume.
PM me for details.

NPH,as I said many times and I will say it again: MAKE MDxx.CItrate!!!
Allmost no comedown at all! it just releases you like a weed!

I newer heard of CaCO3 suplement use,but with citracte you get
you need to increase dose maybe by 10% to get
same strengt high as with HCl and high is much better in quality!
Highs are allmost like those first few magic times!

Main and only drawback of citrate is that it is bitch to get crystals,
so simply make solution and measure your dose by volume.
PM me for details.

yeah i've had mdma citrate and everything you say is absolutely right, but it's a different experience than mdma hcl.  mdma citrate is less euphoric (it's not rushy at all) and less empathic, in fact even the way the lights streak is different.  lights have soft glowing orbs/auras around them as opposed to the sparkly diamond effect.  it is quite euphoric and very worthwhile, mdma citrate is also more visual, it actually feels like a different mdxx drug altogether!  i actually have a trip report in this subforum somewhere.  the comedown is just as you say, it is a sobering experience, you just come down like weed, no jonesing.  then you're left with a residual stimulation for a couple hours along with a sober but relaxed mind, just like mda in that regard.  but thing is, the rushy euphoria and tons of empathy that is missing from mdma citrate is what i like so much about mdma hcl.  i enjoyed mdma citrate thoroughly and it was the best novelty compound i've ever had.  but it doesn't really replace mdma hcl, i missed the orgasmic rushes and "i love you's".  it's more of a steady enjoyable euphoria kinda like mdea, which is still entirely worthwhile and enjoyable IMHO

i'd love to try MDA citrate!  the only problem is the pain of figuring out the solubility to crystallize properly and remove excess citric acid.

Glad I helped!

200mg every day might be a little too much if you are not wery big.
If you don't have GI problems or become high than it is OK,but reduce your dose as you get better.

Who said you need to take citrate alone!?
Use bigger dose of citrate and smaller doses of HCl,this way you will have
both effects and comedown will be light as citrate alone!

Making accurate concentration of MDxx.Citrate solution w/o excess citric acid is piss easy and
pure logic if you know that 1 molecule of citric acid bounds to 2 molecules of MDxx!
MDMA and citric acid have allmost the same molar mass.
Weight 1 g of citric acid,dissolve it in water and titrate it against solvent containing
at last 2g of MDMA freebase! When pH of water solution is high enough that you cant taste
acid any more you have exactly 3g of MDMA.citrate in some volume of water!
Dissolve it to get wanted concentration and viola!

You have known concentration of MDMA.citrate in water solution (or booze if you want),
it doesn't looks suspicious,you don't need scale to dose it, looses are 0% and it starts to kick in faster than HCl!

I'm also interested to know the answer to NPH's question if you haves then Oerlikon

Can't you just titrate it, then evaporate/vacuum distill water layer containing the salt?

Good to know...Didn't think about it this way...

On 5-HTP, does taking it early in the day still gives the desired effect? Seriously I can't takes it before bed anymore...Has anyone seens the movie Inception with Leonardo Dicaprio ? I get get a dream within a dream within a dream within within a dream. Seriously I can ''wake up'' 6-7 times before coming back to reality. I must test myself with whatever (clock/gravity/pain is often fucked way while still dreaming)I have in each new dream, and sometime, even if I think I'm awake, I'm still dreaming I don't wake in fear as with with sleep paralysis, and so far there is no frightening creatures/entities, but if they start appearing, it could go into a downard spiral pretty fast. I just can't sleep for over 1-2 hours so I'm always tired...The phenomemon is extremely interesting to say the least though

Hmm Lucid Dreaming I should start reading