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Naphyrone

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2c-x from mequinol
« on: January 24, 2011, 10:21:32 PM »
I have recently realized that mequinol is readily available online for cheap(~$40 for 250g).
Of course following steps from the rhodium 2cb from anethole, you can skip forward several steps in the synthesis by starting with mequinol.

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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2011, 10:23:19 PM »
Damn, I just ordered some anise oil last friday to start working on 2c-b...Oh well, I'm doing it for the challenge too :D

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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2011, 10:55:17 PM »
what about 1-bromo-2,4-dimethoxybenzene?
even easier

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,4-Dimethoxybenzene

plenty of excuses:
cosmetics
fragrances
photography
i like that!!!!
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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2011, 11:49:30 PM »
true bromo dmb is available but it's expensive, however 1,4-dmb is cheaper than mequinol pay about $12 more for double the material!? ;D looks like one can skip the methylation step now and move straight to reimer formylation then to the nitromethane reaction and reduction and on to halogenation. The problem now is handling nitromethane.

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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2011, 12:14:56 AM »
reimer tieman rxn's gives shit yeilds think duff formylation, its mo better..
« Last Edit: January 25, 2011, 12:18:31 AM by jon »

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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2011, 10:21:44 PM »
The stuff is cheap, I'll give it that, but I wouldn't go so far as to say readily available, at least not in the sense of it being available in an uncluttered formulation being sold to non-chem end users for non-chem purposes.

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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2011, 12:51:35 AM »
hydroquinone is abundant and dirt cheap (many times cheaper than the price you quoted for 4-methoxyphenol), 4-methoxyphenol is very easily made from hydroquinone and a small amount of benzoquinone (also made from hydroquinone).  scroll down to klute's post here: http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=9835

you still have to deal with methylation though, bla

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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2011, 01:40:03 AM »
Agreed, hydroquinone is the best start, albeit at the cost of a bit of extra work.

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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2011, 02:00:12 AM »
If you're finding the mequinol at the same place I am, you may want to search for something they have that's a bit more to the point.  All I'm saying on that one.  Not all the good chems are scheduled just yet.

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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2011, 03:24:31 AM »
nevermind, i found it! ;D
not a bad price either
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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2011, 04:44:59 AM »
Nothing personal, Naphyrone, but you might want to edit that last post.  I was walking the line pretty tightly too, but we really don't want to be too explicit.  ;)

They're a legitimate shop bringing a lot of hard to get chems to home experimenters.  The last thing we want to do is bring any kind of heat down on them.
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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2011, 05:25:49 AM »
I noticed there is a message in red font in the cart area. Is this something to disregard? Proceed as usual?

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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2011, 06:28:14 AM »
timecube, done :)
pyramid, idk read it and make sure it's nothing important before disregarding.

Ok so I was reading shulgins iodination and noticed he used iodine monochloride after creating a phthalimide.
What would be the route using crystal iodine(preferable)? Why exactly is he protecting the amine? Is it from the iodine specifically or from the whole of the reaction? If protection is necessary is there a better way?


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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2011, 07:52:35 AM »
I have it solved now, do the iodination on the 2,5-dmba then make do the condensation reaction to yeild the nitrostyrene.
The iodination from the rhodium document im looking at has an 84.9% yield way better than the usual bromination.

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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2011, 06:05:34 PM »
The reason I ask is that it is a new message, stating chemicals can not be shipped to residential addresses. I have ordered many times before from them, the message was never there. I'm wondering if it's to cover their asses, but if individual ordering is still an option.

Also, I recommend a reduction of all halogentated/alkyl substituted nitrostyrenes using sodium borohydride/zn one pot, info can be found on PEA thread in hyperlab. great yields, clean reaction. I can say that with proper equipment and chemicals you can go from 4-methoxyphenol to 2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine easily. The hardest part is methylation but I recommend you make the potassium salt of 2-hydroxy-5-methoxybenzaldehyde in EtOH, then after filtering and briefly sucking dry, heat with 2 eq TMP in a boiling water bath, the salt disappears and although my notes aren't handy, few hours I believe reaction was over. All preparation of the salt must be done quickly as it oxidizes in air. This gives about 60% yields, I've done it and it works. Bisulfite purification is always necessary.
Also do not disregard the magic of benzoquinone/thiourea, if you don't know what I'm talking about check SM a wide variety of substitute PEA and 4-thioPEA can be made, formylation is done differently though once again info is on hyperlab. The 2c series has been my area of interest for a while and I'm telling you it's so OTC except for some things but these things are not hard to buy on the net, nor are they suspicious.

Ok well anyway, I must say that mg formylation With paraformaldehyde is the ONLY way to formylate the phenol, do not waste your reagents with the chloroform bullshit. With the mg yu end up with more aldehyde than penol begun with, 90+ yield is obtainable easily. And you need this, because methylation is the main loss in yields overall. Even with access to DMS, yields aren't that great and are not very reproducible.
I've tried methylation of the salicylaldehyde in DMF/KOH/TMP and DMF/K2CO3/TMP but it's a dirty and not very well yielding reaction. About 40% and it's very dirty. Take the time making k salt, heat, much nicer.
Something i have not tried yet but am very eager to is simple bromination of 1,4-dimethoxybenzene, info is available somewhere on the net, it's otc. Then formylation with duff using the improved method.
Zinc reduction of 2,5-DMNS is probably the most OTC,cost effective and good yielding reduction method available as I'm sure you all know. But it can't be used for all nitrostyrenes as unhalogenated products and other crap happens, so borohydride/zn is great, also al/hg will work for many. Because 2c-x should not be our only goal! So many PEA can be made its ridiculous. Get precursors while you can!
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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2011, 08:55:15 PM »
i think you's guys are right on about bromination, or halogenation before producing the nitrostyrene/propene because halogenation of the finished amine kills the yeilds by forming haloamines and all sorts of by-products.
that was one of the complications disucssed over at SM.
i don't know if it matters if the dimethoxybenzene is halogenated first or if the aldehyde is because there is a published procedure for halogenating the aldehyde.

^pyramid: what is the *improved* technique for the duff formylation???
i'm new to this type of chemistry.
i did read once that potassium flouride is a good base for methylating phenols.

a happy musing of alexander shulgin the magical half dozen two were 4-akylthios and 4-alkyls and 2-cb
i hear qualitatively the phenylethylamines are the way to go less potent but also less toxic and more fun and of shorter, reasonable duration.
mescaline analogs, nothing quite like mescaline and friends ;D
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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2011, 12:54:07 AM »
Well after losing what I wrote twice let's try once more.
 The improved method was brought about by a user on hyperlab and is not my work. It is basically the same except no ammonium acetate is added, after formation of hexamine adduct water is added along with ethyl acetate and the 2-phase mixture stirred overnight to hydrolize.
Then solvent separated, aq. extracted etc and recrystallization affords the aldehyde. He had success with 2-chloro-1,4-DMB but needs 7 eq H2SO4 instead of the usual.
So perhaps it can be used with success on the bromo DMB but it has not been tried to my knowledge. But I have tried the old way so many times on different benzenes and no successes so I really hope the new way works as advertised. I will be trying it on different benzenes very soon. POCl3 doesn't last forever, if it works then the Sulfuric Duff is a life saver.

Edit: I should add that 7 eq H2SO4 is not needed for the reactive 4-thio, apparently ~70% yield is had with them with the usual 4 eq. We will see!
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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2011, 03:53:41 AM »
the h2so4 is just to hydrolyse it the adduct, am i correct?
this procedure uses boric acid to protonate the hexamine and make the iminum ion.

http://www.orgsyn.org/orgsyn/orgsyn/prepContent.asp?prep=cv4p0866#Note1N3

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Re: 2c-x from mequinol
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2011, 07:31:45 PM »
In this case the sulfuric acid is forming the adduct. Also i just tried the duff on 5-ethoxy-4-ethylthio-2-methoxybenzene but received tar suspected to be unhydrolysed adduct. I could not get crystallization after trying bunch of solvents. The only thing isi used DCM instead of ethyl acetate in the hydrolysis but this should not be a problem?
Either way it's annoying, but I will try some other benzenes. Maybe we should have a sulfuric duff thread. The next thing I will try is 2-ethylthio-1,4-dimethoxybenzene and 2-isopropoxy-1,4-dimethoxybenzene. These should give 70%+ yields, but I have to make them first, so give me a minute! 8)