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Oerlikon

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Pholcodine
« on: January 28, 2011, 09:32:12 PM »
Since I can get decent amount of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pholcodine

Is there anything useful that home chemist w/o
exotic chemicals(SOCl2,LiAlH4...) and equipment can do with it!?

Morphine would be fine!
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2011, 10:08:19 PM »
Unless that particular ether reacts in a weird way, I would think this is what you want to take a look at:

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/codeine2morphine.html

Oddly enough, pholcodine is Schedule I in the U.S. (whereas morphine is only Schedule II.)
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2011, 10:59:21 PM »
Who said I am from USA!?

There must be some reason why they Scheluded it as I!
If you can't get anything fun from it as it is that probably means
it's easy to make something fun out of it,or that DEA is simply full of retards.
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2011, 12:49:58 AM »
Any of the various methods of aryl ether cleavage should give morphine.


it's easy to make something fun out of it,or that DEA is simply full of retards.

Take a wild guess.
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2011, 01:38:49 AM »
Note that you only want to cleave one of the ethers.

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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2011, 02:43:47 AM »
Atara I guess it's the retard thing...

Yeah,I saw that from the start,but opiate skeleton is relatively complex structure and I
don't know which methods interfere with other parts of molecule and which don't.
Generalising,both codeine and pholcodine are same starting material,but pholcodine has much bigger
"thing" in form of morpholine-something dangling around than small methoxy group of codeine.

Any clever ways of breaking this apart!?
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2011, 05:21:48 AM »
Schedule I just means no medical use, there is simply no accepted medical use for it.

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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2011, 10:27:36 AM »
Along with that meme it also states that it has abuse potential as well along with no medical value. Its something to keep in mind.
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2011, 02:57:35 PM »
AFAIK pholcodine has absolutely fuck all recreational use, perhaps slight sedating effects at high doses, but apparently, next to no euphorigenic potential.
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2011, 03:53:16 PM »
Well,it's only "non-fun" thing that stops me to caught my guts out,so it's definitely working! (chronic condition)
Your scheluding system sucks bigtime! Even thigns with enormous medical potential like ibogaine,LSD,MDMA and weed are I.
Funnyest thing is how they put some opiates on I. and others on II. ALL opiates have some medical use,
some are just more prone to abuse than others!

Taking pholcodine more than necessary will result in GI rebellion and confusion.
No good effects AT ALL!
I do fall asleep easier when I take it,but that's not because it sedates me but
because I stop raping my lungs with cough.
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2011, 07:30:10 PM »
Has anybody actually tried a sodding big dose of the stuff? I have not, but then again even for a cough I never use it, although it has been used at the recommended dose by me, but that is because codeine linctus is OTC here, as are codeine, opium tincture, and morphine based cough syrups, shocking I know, but the UK is generous in that respect so why would I bother with something that is known to be crap, as far as simply necking a bottle or three of the stuff would go?
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2011, 01:28:21 AM »
I am sure I took it more than enough few times.
As I said,only nasty bowl movement and feeling sick.

Yeah,I heard that before,some kind of Collis mixture or something...
I would really like to get bottle or two!
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2011, 10:30:04 AM »
J.Collis Browne's mixture.

20mg morphine anhydrous B.P per 100ml bottle.

I have had it a good many times, gee's linctus is another one, tincture of opium and not TOO pissweak, dependent on tolerance.

Nice to down a good few shots of codeine linctus, then follow it up once one's relevant CYP-P450 pathways are too busy buggering about with the codeine to go snack on any morphine.
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2011, 06:09:13 PM »
Lucky bastards! ;D

20mg of morphine is more than plenty for me,and this trick with codeine is great too!
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2011, 09:26:08 PM »
Bah...lucky. I hate tolerance.

Its lovely as the icing on a half gram of dihydrocodeine though, my prescription painkiller for my knee issues, morphine is hard to beat as a recreational opiate, although I  do prefer the full spectrum of poppy tea or gees linctus at an equivalent level.
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2011, 02:03:05 PM »
I menage to keep my opiate tolerance at 0 for years,so It's plenty for me!  ;D
But if I had really painfull condition for prolonged time I would be full-blown junkie in no time!
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2011, 07:22:54 PM »
I think Morphine sucks for recreation and Oxycodone is worlds above it bar none and thats not even getting into the issue of potancy where 30mg of Oxycodone is pretty damn good yet the equivalent of Morphine would hardly get someone a head change.

Anyway unless I overlooked a saturated bond somewhere along the lines there the answer to your question is to use Hydroiodic acid to cleave the ether to yeild Morphine from Pholcodine. Look into reactions that demethylate Eugenol since its the same reaction your looking to perform here. I also have concerns about it cleaving the other ether bridge in morphine but if im not mistaken HI has been used in the past to demethylate Codine so I would not expect to many issues with this reaction.

PS: On second thought I think that there is a good chance that HBr or possibly even H2SO4 would work here as the given product would be a phenol there would be no further reaction with the HBr yeilding the brominated product. I have never heard of someone doing such a thing but I would not doubt it one bit.
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2011, 08:12:54 PM »
There is no oxy here.

Thanks on idea! It's definitely worth considering!
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2011, 09:11:18 PM »
Painful? yes, I got a shard of glass through my patellar tendon as a kid, and not long after it had started healing, I had my knee stamped on.
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Re: Pholcodine
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2011, 05:10:00 AM »
but that is because codeine linctus is OTC here, as are codeine, opium tincture, and morphine based cough syrups, shocking I know, but the UK is generous in that respect
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