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nitroethane
« on: March 07, 2011, 03:35:16 AM »
I have seen some threads about the synth of nitroethane, but the search results gave no thread about buying it.
I've read that in the past some artificial nail removers were up to 100% nitroethane, but all those claims were a couple years old.
Does anyone know of any brands or other other OTC products that contain nitroethane?

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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2011, 11:23:59 AM »
I dunno, but I suppose they must have died out due to the war on drugs.
The short questions thread might be more appropriate for this kind of question; take a look at it, it's quite a cool concept ;D

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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2011, 09:57:19 PM »
Is this one of those resources that everyone admits exist but is silent about?
I'm not sure I understand why.
I'd imagine the DEA could search some database to find OTC sources, and if they havent been pulled yet why would the be pulled in the future?

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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2011, 10:13:55 PM »
If they became popular for unlawful use, they would do something about it, but if it isn't an issue - they aren't going to worry about it.

 It seems they operate more like "We find X at drug labs, there for we should regulate X" instead of a "This has potential use in drug labs, so we should regulate it before it us used"

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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2011, 10:36:30 PM »
Wow, I didn't realise nitroethane was so OTC. I thought that there were only old references to it. But after a quick google it can be found for €8 per 200ml in a 50/50 mix with acetone or even >99% pure in 15ml portions! I'm surprised! Great news!

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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2011, 11:18:40 PM »
albeit it is watched, but it will of course depend on what country you are in..

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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2011, 05:37:13 AM »
Its avalible in low concentrations in the US as well but no I am not willing to tell people about this because the comment was made that if Exibit A starts showing up in labs its off the shelf quickly. Not to mention that Nitromethane can substitute for most commercial uses it would vanish quicker then you can blink. It would not be hard for some sort of paint product to substitute Nitromethane over Nitroethane as a solvent at all now would it.
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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2011, 05:01:53 PM »
nitroethane can be had by bubbling ethene gas through a fuming mix of sulfuric and nitric acids :P

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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2011, 10:53:50 PM »
The problem with that is ethane is not very easily obtained either as far as I know.
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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2011, 11:11:29 PM »
Is it not still an RC hobbyist fuel? I sure thought it was.

In any case, ethanol abounds and while I've never looked into it, certainly that hydroxyl can get the fuck out of town and be substituted....
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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2011, 11:26:58 PM »
Nitroethane is a pretty difficult one to effectively make AFAIK, I have never heard of an OTC way that was very effective - and there is a lot of discussion on this board.

They do not put it in RC fuel as far as I know, only nitromethane.

Ethylene is easy to make, but that is useless for making Nitroethane, I think?
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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2011, 11:33:30 PM »
Weird, I could swear certain RC fuel companies were using both....
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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2011, 11:35:39 PM »
Perhaps in the past? I have not heard of such a thing occurring recently.
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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2011, 11:38:15 PM »
I think I left a gallon of NM with my dad for his RC planes and if he's still got the bottle from the company I used, I'll have a source for NE too.

Edit: Fuck, it's not there. I guess I'll have to hunt the shit down online again.
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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2011, 12:06:02 AM »
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The problem with that is ethane is not very easily obtained either as far as I know.


Ethylene is easily made by the action of orthophosphoric acid on ethanol  ;)  Ethane is produced by hydrogenating ethylene with a nickel catalyst  8)
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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2011, 12:40:44 AM »
Yeah but that isn't really easy to do when you look at the yields of everything. Plus you'd likely be better off using hot sulfuric acid as if you were to make diethyl ether. If it gets to hot, you make ethylene. Right? Does orthophosphoric acid have any benefits vs sulfuric acid?

Once you go from Ethanol => ethylene => Ethane => Nitroethane, you have one hell of a complicated and dangerous setup involving strong acids, heat, and flammable gases. It isn't like the gases ethylene or ethane are easy to store after they were produced so it would seem to me they'd all need to be done at once, and made in excess? I doubt the yeidls for the nitric acid reaction are very high at all.


@OldVL Did you mean Ethane or ethene? Ethene => Ethylene...  I just noticed you said ethene instead of what I had originally read as ethane?

"nitroethane can be had by bubbling ethene gas through a fuming mix of sulfuric and nitric acids"

If it is ethene, and not ethane, that might increase the practically of it dramatically.
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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2011, 02:41:58 AM »
"Is it not still an RC hobbyist fuel?"

Yes, but often only as a 10-20% ratio to ,

 could be worse!

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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2011, 07:56:30 PM »
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Yeah but that isn't really easy to do when you look at the yields of everything. Plus you'd likely be better off using hot sulfuric acid as if you were to make diethyl ether. If it gets to hot, you make ethylene. Right? Does orthophosphoric acid have any benefits vs sulfuric acid?

Sulfuric acid causes oxidation and thus frothing sometimes therefore lowering the yield compared to orthophosphoric acid  8)
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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2011, 02:54:30 AM »
The gas comes in a tank.  From the same people that sell nitrogen.

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Re: nitroethane
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2011, 02:56:27 AM »
If you can get aldehydes than you shOuld be able to order gas
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