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Naphyrone

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recreational drug design
« on: March 10, 2011, 04:01:23 PM »
I had been thinking about the current direction research psychedelics have been going in and to me there is not much body to them in terms of recreational use. I mean part of what makes many illegal drugs is that they are not highly selective to 1 receptor.
However from this standpoint how would you approach developing a chem to target several desired receptors?
Would you start with something that's highly selective of the receptor you wish to focus on or start with something dirty that hits most the receptors you want it to but a couple you don't and work on making that compound more selective?
Also what about compounds that are antagonist/inverse agonists to certain receptors and antagonist to others. I think many people would enjoy a psychedelic that while being a 5ht1a and 5ht2a agonist was also a 5ht2c inverse agonist.
To me this seems like a vast field that no one is tapping into, I mean sure there's a reason however imagine all the progress that could be made in understanding the human brain if research and development for recreation drugs was allowed. The potential for new boundaries of euphoria and money would definitely hold a torch to the ass of drug companies if they were allowed to develop recreational drugs.
With any luck though, computing power is getting cheap cheap cheap and I'm sure soon enough novel amateur recreational drug design/discover will start happening.

I think a good place to start even in terms of structure based that I recently noticed would be how the dragonfly compounds and amino tetralines align with the phenethylamine substructure in lsd. I think shulgin could have missed a potentially active methylenedioxy tryptamine specifically the 6,7 position. 5-meo-7-iodo-dmt might also be a good one to check out. I may upload some example images later after i get some rest to better demonstrate what i mean or you can just look at this...
(source, drugs-forum and vesp pointed me to this pic when discussing what i noticed)
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Re: recreational drug design
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2011, 07:00:21 PM »
I get the feeling if you can find the original source of that image, you could find a lot of good information.. I don't know the source but someone here might?
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Re: recreational drug design
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2011, 09:15:40 PM »
Deigning drugs to have desired effects sounds like pure theory to me
with little to no match in real life. I agree,it's great aid and extremely interesting
subject but too many variables are included there.

You simply make many similar new things and test them all until you find a winner.
Even great Dr. Shulgin did it that way!
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Re: recreational drug design
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2011, 12:56:32 AM »
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You simply make many similar new things and test them all until you find a winner.
Even great Dr. Shulgin did it that way!

Sounds like a great way to die a horrible death to me,

No he didn't, he knew almost to the letter what each drug will do well before he even started the synthesis of it and this can be seen in his shock as some of the compounds did not seem to respond as one would expect. He achieved what he did thru complete understanding of the 5-HT and dopamine receptors to name a couple and this allowed him to normally predict the effects of any drug by looking at its structure. Even myself thru limited knowledge compaired to his own can give a general idea of what a compound would do according to its structure and knowing that the 2-5 side chains of the PEA skeleton affect binding strength and the electronegativity of the 4 position effects alignment and metabolism of the compound denoting effective dosage.

I have a good idea of something that could possibly be analog to the MDA compounds and that would be the O-Acetylated variations of the MDMA metabolite HMMA. I feel this compound would be a great empathy substance like that of the MDMA compounds yet possibly avoid the toxic metabolites that form as the ring is cleaved in the body to form this metabolite on the second pass.
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