The excitement when you learn new things, discover new potential synths.. succeed in producing some honey after years on and off of learning and gathering... and nobody knows, no one.. even the close friends who you tell, cant at all appreciate the complexity of what you have done... or the effort you have put in.. to fail so many times in the learning process, so many nights of distilling solvents and oils for hours and hours with swimming goggles on to stop the penut oil smoke... setting the house on fire, exploding SRVs in your bedroom.. until finally you make it.. and it is amazing.. so amazing... at frying your memory so you forget everything youve done haha jokes..

my point is.. doesnt any of you feel a little lonely or under appreciated for real stuff you can achieve that no one knows about or will ever know about.. ill be with friends and something pops in my mind that really excites me and remembering, oh wait, no one here has 1 clue what im saying let alone agree with why im saying it.. the worst is when they turn around ang go.. omg your give ppl drugs? 1 xtc can kill people mate, they use drain cleaner and battery acid!

makes me sick to be surrounded by fukin muppets

If you even consider telling people who can't comprehend how awesome is the
thing you are doing you will fail miserably sooner or latter.

Most people are idiots when it comes to chemistry.
Closest circle of my friends who know about my hobby
respect me more than I ever expected,they finance most of my expenses,
keep their mouth shut and we all have a great time!

MDMA makes you want to tell it everyone,DON'T!
If you don't deal,don't talk and find good strategy of buying chemicals
than you will have your freedom and hobby for many years to come.

Shake, I've stumbled upon this thread a couple times, and everytime I re-read it, I'd like to add something, but I seriously don't knoiw what, since your post is the story of my life...


But yeah, it just sucks that nobody can/try to appreciate all of this. At first, I was excited to explain some chemistry by over-vulgarising it to the max, but only thing it did, was makes it looks easy. I now seldomly talks or answer questions about chemistry with persons not-versed in the art. That's probably why I absolutly loves hanging around  

i was one of those bees who was never really interested in honey, was more about  nectar (L).

to my colleagues, i'm something of a  superstar. these technically-inclined allies are keen on all things chemical and electronic, with an avid appreciation for psychedelics. operating on the fringes of mainstream society is all fine by me. they can have their bud light and lady gaga.

Yes, I avoid talking with people about it as much as possible, it gets difficult sometimes when you've ingested one of so many chemicals; one close friend of my knows what's up and he enjoys what I create . It's a shame how much ignorance/misinformation is about... talk about social repression, away with taboo !

Everything up to now is something I can relate to, atleast here we can laugh about it. Life is like that :p

WOW AB2...Good job keeping quiet, especially considering you've been doing this for over 10 years That's probably the key to success though

more of a continuum, but a new epoch is near.
*looks forward* i see... more microbial manipulation and biotransformations.
for the honey seekers, they can keep the old ways. other synths may incorporate more efficient methods, using the most efficient
catalysts known to man...proteins.

damned ive read the whole thread now like fifty times and every time wanted to add anything but it would bee like some sort of necrophilia or grave digging... but hey i dont care otherwise every time i read this i would struggle with myself that i hadnt earlier because ... hmm I think my english skills are not good enough, but for most things roidrage´s post will fit exactly, every single word, to myself, can partial relate to what shake said... except the ones about smoking peanut oil and swimming goggles, or exploding SRV (what means SRV?^^) or fires...
but i guess chemistry must be very hard if the feds put their thumb on it,
and being successful under such circumstances is something, where one really deserves the sweet fruits of ones hard dreaming for sure
I wont talk to anyone about it i knew from the "normal" people i knew of ever, no way! these times, i know very few people here (no one personal only online) who are also into doing some chemistry, and some of them disappeared also sometimes, someone even for a longer time without any special reason (except too much life for internet, drug rehab, no money for internet and else ), but returned someday anyway. Except these very few handfull of guys and still much fewer personal known friends i had never anyone to talk about these things.
And then talking to people into it as well, is often very complicated when you want to find some account of them to write to after they disappear...due to the whole encryption messaging in use when one has to speak clearly of his activities, and that made it actually impossible to find some email/messenger account to write to.
But the whole internet is really like a global village, i have recently met someone on a drug related IRC channel i had no contact to for like five years, still known to each from some ethnobotanical board (it was really really small, even smaller than this and there are less german speakers than english) and we both felt like the internet is way smaller one could ever expect
Its just, we all share these interest in a special manner, or better love this whole thing in the same enthusiastic way
we will earlier or later show up at the same places, will recognize each other and no wonder its like a family meeting, every time i meet somebody in another (german) drug/chemistry/anything board i knew from somewhere else it feels really literally the same as a family meeting!

I am so fucking lucky i found this place it combines both the drug part and the mostly serious atmosphere around sciencemadness, so it carries for sure the resurrected hive spirit
I could never feel so much like i am at home here over at the collective, its a good useful place too of course, but more less serious, more amateurish in the "chem-is-try"-chemistry what i really appreciate very much, its simply alchemistic basic behaviour But I feel i fit much more into here me, and my friends who are in chemistry also, we have always thought about it as something rather mystical place, out of ancient times that will never will happen again, so its really impressive i am just about to post something after the person that has literally "seconded" shulgin when it comes to MDOH synthesis
When a friend noted to me "dude she was next to shulgin in subject mdoh!!"my ears popped off

but too see i am myself actually able to help other people with our hard experience the few chem-related people i knew and me got through is something that makes me really happy, i had never expected that just imagine, theres a idea floating around, just three or four people knew of, and nobody else can introduce a new and fresh opinion? You end up running in circles all the times, some themes were literally so over-discussed from us i would today never consider to use some literally good known method ever because of this...

Still better than posting it on SM and getting flamed from "Mr. Nicodem-BZP-synthesis-writer-and-super-administrator" about the street values of ones desired molecule working with, when the actual trivial name was never mentioned or its use, only the correct IUPAC and the problem in a correct spelled manner. Its just the same on all the other german chemistry boards, spell correct, use nomenclature, but if they notice (if they dont knew anyway, double-moral bastards they are ) it will go like a witch hunt:
"no one seems to know what to do with these nitropropene, but if someone shows such pictures its surprising how horny instantly every young chemist gets to grow some of these several inch nails himself"
is vaguely cited from one of these sites, about the subject P2NP synthesis

we germans had never a real drugchemistry thing like that here, altough there is one board, lambdasyn, that was more drug related at earlier times (someone even made tiletamine few years ago there ), there are nowadays the feds trying to bait people with suspicious chemicals sales
still know most of those people anyway, invited them even partial herein, but up to now they are just lurking here, albeit they got their skills
so its really like a global village, isnt it?^^