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Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« on: April 22, 2009, 09:03:39 PM »
I'm sure all of us have seen the "how to make a magnetic stirrer" tutorials, however no one gives any way to make chemical resistant stir bars (most stir bars they suggest are nails or screws, which have Zn or Fe (or both) in them.  Unfortunately, this does not work for any reaction sensitive to those, or any reacting involve acids like HNO3 or HCl.  I thought about a few ways involving a nail, then coating it with teflon tape, but that would unravel while spinning.  Then I thought about finding pure teflon coating, but that is very expensive.  After brainstorming for a few more minutes, I looked down at my glass tubing and decided to try something.  I tried various combinations of nails and glass tubing, and found out that a 16d nail fits almost flawlessly inside standard 5mm glass tubing.

I had to spend a bit of time finding the right length of nail to work with my magnetic stirrer.  It has to be quite right, otherwise it will either be too heavy to spin, or could pull too strongly on the magnet (forcing the fan to move upwards and off it's spindle).  If it were too small, it would be inneffective for the size of vessel I might be using.

I used a hacksaw and cut the tip off the nail, then cut a 1/2" (~13mm) long section of the nail.  I guesstimated and broke off what I felt was the right length of glass tubing.  I used a blow torch to melt one side closed, then let it cool.  I slid the nail piece into the tube, then made any size adjustments to the glass one more time.  It's best to have as little air trapped in there as possible.  When you heat it up, and seal the end off, too much air can cause the glass to expand where it was heated and eventually break.  Overall, the glass tube melted to a length of 0.9 inches (~23mm), which works fairly well, but not perfectly.  I don't consider it worth it to make another, I'll just wait till this one breaks, then I'll make improvements on it's replacement.  That or I'll buy a real stir bar.  The downside of this stir bar is that you have to be very gentle with it.  I wouldn't even recommend dropping it into the flask.  Try to let it slide down the side if you can

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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 10:10:31 PM »
What I did for an acid resistant stir bar, was put several small magnets in a cut bic pen. Taking a cap another and pressing it on the open end, so it was a double capped piece of plastic with something magnetic in it. This obviously isn't very resistant to a lot of solvents.
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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2009, 11:03:14 PM »
Just a note on the teflon, you can get a spray to recoat the bottom of teflon pans for pretty cheep that may be of some use here.
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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2009, 11:18:29 PM »
That could probably be the best method yet! I didn't know they had a spray for pans - so does this mean it has some sort of solvent that dissolves the Teflon? That could be useful.
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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2009, 11:58:21 PM »
The can I have is really old but Im sure they probably still sell something like it. It did have some sort of solvent in it and I also had trouble getting it to coat the pan but I was also suppose to take steel wool to it also which I didnt.
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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2009, 03:23:14 AM »
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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2009, 03:47:33 AM »
I can't find one and Iv gone thru three consumer product databases. I have to disagree chances are thats teflon. It reads the same as my older stuff did about just spray on and bake. Mine said right on the label that it was teflon. Chances are this is just a newer version of an older product.
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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2009, 04:06:01 AM »
What solvents even dissolve Teflon? I didn't know their were any.
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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2009, 04:52:27 AM »

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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2009, 05:14:55 AM »
Nah, I don't think so. There are a lot of teflon lubes / pipedope type products out there.

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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2009, 05:39:01 AM »
Ill get back to yall tommorow on it.. I have the can around still someware and a decent nose for solvents. Judging by the link though its more likely just really fine teflon that can be aerosoled
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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2009, 04:26:29 PM »
There is really no known solvent for PTFE.  PTFE coating applications are just tiny particles of it suspended in water.  This is sprayed, then baked on to melt the teflon together.
 
http://www2.dupont.com/Teflon_Industrial/en_US/products/product_by_name/teflon_ptfe/aqueous.html

However, I'm sure there are polymer coatings with similar properties to teflon that can be solvated.

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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2009, 03:14:55 AM »
Oh I see, I didn't know it melted. I guess that makes sense that it would though I was just thinking it sublimated or something like that. Interesting spray regardless how it works.
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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2009, 03:20:05 AM »
 Have a look around some plastics supply companys.

 You know the sort, they sell plastic tube & sheet to engineering firms so they can make stuff from it.
 For some reason some include magnetic stirrer bars in their stock of products.

 Or look into scientific/educational shops for thin bar magnets.
  These could be put into a glass tube & the ends melted shut.

 The plastics firms will also stock Teflon tubing by the metre, same idea.

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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2009, 03:24:12 AM »
Heres a thought that I will try very soon. It may not be a cure all but since many plastics are not reactive in most situations why not just make a thick goop using acetone with plastic and coat it with that for most synthesis?
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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2009, 05:52:03 AM »
That's perhaps even better than the glass ones.  There's too many variables with the glass.  PP might be the best bet.  HDPE and LDPE don't dissolve in acetone (infact there are very few things that might 'dissolve' them).  PP does dissolve in acetone though, and is untouched by alcohols, dilute strong acids, etc.

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Re: Quick and dirty magnetic stir bars
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2009, 11:17:23 AM »
clear shrinktubing

melt the end closed

not as universal as glass, but very effective

moose has sealed in JK thermocouples placed in HI\RP reductions, and it was re-usable a couple of times.