Sorry if this question is dumb, but as I search for this, the searches keep coming back, over and over and over, to

1) "that biggest of all online auction sites"
2) Chinese/Indian bulk suppliers
3) major chemical suppliers (JT B^ker, S*gma, et al).

Why is it so tough to find a small jar of this stuff from a place apart from those three kinds of places? Is it heavily watched or something? Maybe I want to cure my own meat and want to use the 98% pure stuff!

I'm about ready to say F it and just get it from "that biggest of all auction sites"... they have a deal I could snap up right now... or would that be a big mistake even with this very simple and innocent chem? Or is it not as innocent as I think?

Circular web searches are getting me nowhere. Would it really be such a huge error if I bought it from the auction site, or does that only apply to seriously watched things? Could someone maybe please PM me with a nice little discreet chem seller (in the US) who is not fleabay or anything else I should avoid? Thanks.

I'm maybe talking out of my ass, but I don't sees what It can be used for clandestinely besides sandmeyer GHB reaction. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ANYBODY??

If so, I wouldn't worry about buying it on ''That online auction site''. At least I wouldn't mind since I'm not in the US.

There is probably also a easy synth. out there...

It is a different story with listed chemicals or obvious precursors, but with a chemical such as sodium nitrite there is not going to be a problem.
Yeah, the NaBH4, diethylamine, iodine, RP and all of that business that is on there is what you do not want to buy.
But the simple salts pose really no issue, they have many uses

Any time you create a paper trail, remember it can come back to bite you. See the sorry tale of Eleusis.

Proven reagent quantity * guesstimated yield = imputed product weight

Any electronic order can do it, but that one auction site is quite bad about it. They allow cognitive fascists to datamine their sales. It wouldn't surprise me if a listing for "sodium chloride" comes up flagged *****WARNING: CHEMICAL***** while a listing for "rock salt" goes on about its way. If a snoop instructs the computer to pull up all accounts which have bought "chemicals" recently, some harmless NaNO2 would be enough to count. Would anything else of interest be in that history? Glassware? The weekend hunters stuffing their kill full of nitrites won't be buying boiling flasks and fractionating columns.

There is no need for all this worry for NaNO2. It is sold pure and OTC, or pure from small online vendors having nothing to do with chemistry and no connections with the mind police. NaNO2 is used for curing meat. You'll find it at food supply and outdoors/hunting oriented stores.

Pretend you're working with food and you're going to pack your meat with nitrites like a perfectly law-abiding, misfed westerner. The stuff is all over.

Sorry if this question is dumb, but as I search for this, the searches keep coming back, over and over and over, to

1) "that biggest of all online auction sites"
2) Chinese/Indian bulk suppliers
3) major chemical suppliers (JT B^ker, S*gma, et al).

  Matey, I dont think its a dumb question, because,, I too have "this problem" FTFO!,, (Far To Fuckin Often!) and then even if I try and 'refine' my searches, aside from 'online auctions' and links that eventually take me somewhere I DONT WANT TO GO TO!!!!  Faaaark!!

BUT: the problem for me, really is going about FINDING the SMALLER  Distributors near me,,in my area, the things that count..E.g...I can get many things,, fairly easily, but finding a place thet sells calcium propionate in sacks of 25kg sack,,and I'm Fucked... Not only Do I not want a ,"spare 20 odd kilos of Bread preservative, in my house,,What to do with? Make a LOT of bread...or "ditch when done"!,I Really Dont Have the Room...........and many of the smaller,, "hot bread' places dont use it!!!

  Ive had NO success procuring this product online....as an example,,its more easily done with a bit of footwork and a few different bakeries/right person etc"... hot bread Chains can be useful,,,
   
     Same with a variety of things: Say I Only want a few liters or usually,,amounts of < kg in some reagent--Problem---China and ALL the 'potential there' for ?-Places that 'sell' this stuff ) do so to Account holders ONLY,,b) Usually have only AR or LR grade products where 500 gms of KI is IIRC $3-400au dollars, and methanol was about $25 a litre...ouch....I used to (and probably still can) get GAA from the local (a little 2 chemist country town-for <15 litre of LR grade and the "supply house" wants $70 for almost the same thing....

  The E bays, seem to be one of the few places "I" end up being able to 'find what I want' but the things I'd need to go to  E bay for,, are the ones I have to answer too many questions about--BUT I'm PARANOID BIG TIME about buyinng products through there ( I havent done it yet--but like MM says,,hmmm are there "safe ways"in which to act on those "FuckIt-and start that mail trail.OR DONT!!!.just use Tor, or John Do, and you'll be fine as far as being 'tracked' is concerned--As well as using a "Pre-paid" wireless Account (?? details) and you should be fine   

  I  KNOW many of our eminent members achieve 'these types of acquisitions "in their dreams"  And have well established 'suppliers' like many of us dont
   Perhaps they might share some of that "love for chemistry" with those of us who are "returning to the Fold" so to speak,, and wishing to become  A Part of The New Way...which is where this forum appears to me,,,'As The New Way' and consequently,,maybe you guys could helps start a "How NOT TO go about acquiring ANY 'potentially restricted substance"....and MAYBE...just the 'opposite'...

We are ALWAYS Most Thankful for good advice,,or directions
   
     Cyberspace is for me sometimes a pretty complicated place to navigate and use,,especially when its "looking for the Little Guys"

   Uh, Yeah,, " HOW THE FUCK DO WE FIND THEM? " 

       "They tend to be on page, 2,385,467  about halfway down.. IIRC"

  Peace Love and Mung bean Flowerz

   Hyppy

You've got nothing to worry about ordering a couple pounds of sodium nitrite on that auction site, I usually email them about a larger amount and complete the purchase through email. You don't even need a fake ID to set up a paypal or ebay account in a fictitious name. Just buy a visa gift card, register it to some random name and viable address, set up an account and make the purchase. Always better to send to someone not involved who knows the legit uses if you don't have a drop box set up, always better to be cautious. Doesn't even have to be their name, just an address that can accept it for you.

 Better to be safe, than sorry!!! "Gotta save the hive,,gotta save...us all".....
           thanx for the feedback all..

ps.Well what next!? I hear they been keepin those sheerefs awake with 'drugz' these daze! Talk about that progress stuff, eh Granny?"

You're looking at the payroll direct deposit cards. Those won't work.

Look for Visa gift cards which mention nothing about direct deposits or paychecks. You want the non-reloadable stored value cards.

I don't know if we can mention brand names, although I might suggest you think along the lines of phenolic aldehydes.

You're looking at the payroll direct deposit cards. Those won't work.

Look for Visa gift cards which mention nothing about direct deposits or paychecks. You want the non-reloadable stored value cards.

Well, no I don't think so because it was a "Simon Gift Card." There was no mention of direct deposits or paychecks... it was just a gift card preloaded with $100 if I recall. It worked at point-of-sale, but if I had wanted to use it online I was going to have to register it and that required an SSN. I wondered at the time (and still) what would happen if I registered it with a fake name and fake SSN. It's one thing to collect SSNs, but quite another to follow up and run it against a database. At the time I was wondering if it was some trap that our brave anti-terrorism G-men were trying to set for imagined hordes of extremist sleeper cell members who would try to transfer money out of the US, or whatever it was they were afraid of.

I don't know if we can mention brand names, although I might suggest you think along the lines of phenolic aldehydes.

Hrm...?  I know that's a big hint, damn it, but it's flying right over my head

Yeh im thinking the same, by the time you spend trying to worry about getting it safely you could have made some already. Melt some lead and toss in some Nitrates... Stir.... stir.. stirr....