Ok after making the hcl mda salt many times I wanted to switch things up strictly for the reason of saving time. Usually I'll take a xylene solution with mda freebase in it (that did not go through an A/B extraction because I've found it unnecessary) and add %5 hcl then extract out the water layer to evap. I've gotten sick of this method because I have to sit around for freakin ever to wait for %95 water to evap away and I can't use stronger hcl or else there are tarring problems. So in order to cut down on that evap time I was thinking of switching to citric acid dissolved in %95 ethanol. Then I figured screw it water is always a problem when salting mda so lets get rid of that %5 water and just go with denatured alcohol which is %50 ethanol %50 methanol (not worried about the methanol since it will after all completely evap). But then I was thinking, wait a second, alcohol evaps very quickly but citric acid is a solid so does it even need to be in a solution first anyways??? So can I just drop solid citric acid crystals directly into a xylene/freebase solution and expect to just extract out the mda citric salt easily? I have been told salting with citric acid can lead to a goo but this was from someone who had water in his system and from my experience water really causes the gooing/tarring/crapping up problems with mda salting. What do you think?

citrate crystals tend to go from hard goo to shiny xtals by rinsing them with warm naptha.. an easy way is extracting the xtals with filtered lemon or orange juice then evap and naptha wash

im with you though i hate waiting for water to evaporate. so can you acidify the xylene directly? it would have to be dry for xtals to just fall out.. jon uses a different method, where his freebase is in DCM so its easy to strip off down to the freebase, where he then titrates the mdma oil with .5 molar qty of citric acid then just pour in 2 different solvents at a ratio of 1:5 ethanol to petro ether or naptha, then chuck in freezer for a couple days and wait for xtals to form.. the resulting half formed xtals might be gooey, should dry in the oven.

as for what to do when you have a litre of xylene and your supposed to strip it all off or evap it, you are sorta up shit creek unless you want to muck around distilling again, but usually by this time you want to just get it over with

Distilling? I don't mess around with that time consuming stuff. If I can bypass an A/B because I don't find it absolutely necessary I can do without other things as well (think more commercial and less connoisseur).  

Look if I got a few liters of highly yummy xylene in a sep funnel (I got some big sep funnels) and I toss in and shake around some citric acid should it stay in the xylene or drop out? If it stays in xylene then if I added the citiric dissolved in alcohol instead then shouldn't that give me a layer to extract out so that I could just then evap to recover the goods? I don't even care if it's goo. Any goo or tar can be put in a food dehydrator, turned brittle, and then chopped up into powder in a food chopper/processor (but if I'm using denatured alcohol there will be no water present). You guys are thinking what makes the purest, cleanest, prettiest stuff and I'm thinking what makes passable stuff the quickest. Ethanol/methanol evaps so quickly I probably don't even really care if I have to use it in order to make an extractable layer for the mda citrate to go into. I just want to know if in theory there shouldn't be any issues. Again my main issue is getting around waiting for freakin ever for %95 water to evap when making the hcl (no lets not bring up gassing).

Usually I'll take a xylene solution with mda freebase in it (that did not go through an A/B extraction because I've found it unnecessary) and add %5 hcl then extract out the water layer to evap.

are you saying you dont even water wash or brine wash before you extract your crystals?

I hope you at least do that!

calm the fuck down, did you wash the hg salts out of your xylene extracts?

mdma freebase can (but certainly does not have to be) distilled under vacuum no problem same as your ketone should have been, as it mostly likely will double your yeilds, what synth are you using? clearly you are not distilling anything here but hey, if thats how you do it so be it i dont care.

Who ever said anything about selling?

you did

I can do without other things as well (think more commercial and less connoisseur). 

thats what commercial means brother.

all that matters is that you dont skip vital washes after you extract your freebase into your solvent.

as for your citrate question, it is a good question, i dont know the answer but i def want to. when you find out let us know.. jon is the only citrate guy we have here and he doesnt like going into specifics much

Also if one is lazy....

Thank you! Finally someone was understanding what I was getting at! Thanks poison, I think I got it now. In the end it seems I should expect a goo (verses a tar hcl style) but that is something I think I can deal with with just a food dehydrator. In the end a very quick evap to a goo put in a food dehydrator should be much quicker then waiting for freakin ever for %5 hcl to evap (granted no goo or tar though).


...And Shake I said THINK more commercial in order to understand the time saving I'm trying to get at, I did NOT say "hey I'm sitting over here making kg batches of schedule 1 for sale".

I'd like to know that too.

The DEA prohibits anyone with a schedule I license from assaying purity or active weight. This is why DanceSafe's testing lab can only give a yes/no on the compounds in the samples sent in for testing.

The DEA went out of their way to write the rules to prevent licensed labs from becoming QC for manufacturing ops.

in order to prevent mis information being spread, i would like to say that lemon juice from a squeezy bottle from the store does not work and will turn your crystals to a gunk due to all the additives they must put in it. embarresing. BUT i have gotten nice crystals from squeezing a fresh lemon into water and extracting that by evaporating on a big plate.

problably just get the citric acid powder though. the only reason lemon juice looked good to me is because the ph is already 4-5 so you dont over shoot easily like hcl

Citric acid is not apparently as availabe out there as it is here.
As I'd suspect that people would not extract it from lemons for just the fun of it.
Just to tease, it is available otc and is from 3 to 9eur for 100g.

 Sure is! Try ANY supermarket!