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US Supreme Court flushes Fourth Amendment down the toilet in 8-1 ruling
« on: May 17, 2011, 03:32:07 AM »
Pay close attention, this was a home search and seizure case involving drugs.

h**p://www.latimes.com/news/sc-dc-0517-court-search-20110516,0,6820148.story

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Supreme Court gives police a new entryway into homes

The Supreme Court, in an 8-1 decision in a Kentucky case, says police officers who loudly knock on a door in search of illegal drugs and then hear sounds suggesting evidence is being destroyed may break down the door and enter without a search warrant.


By David G. Savage, Los Angeles Times

May 16, 2011, 10:47 a.m.
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday gave police more leeway to break into residences in search of illegal drugs.

The justices in an 8-1 decision said officers who loudly knock on a door and then hear sounds suggesting evidence is being destroyed may break down the door and enter without a search warrant.

Residents who "attempt to destroy evidence have only themselves to blame" when police burst in, said Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.

In a lone dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said she feared the ruling in a Kentucky case will give police an easy way to ignore the 4th Amendment. "Police officers may not knock, listen and then break the door down," she said, without violating the 4th Amendment.

In the past, the court has said police usually may not enter a home unless they have a search warrant or the permission of the owner. As Alito said, "The 4th Amendment has drawn a firm line at the entrance to the house."

One exception to that rule involves an emergency, such as screams coming from a house. Police may also pursue a fleeing suspect who enters a residence. Police were attempting to do that in the Kentucky case, but they entered the wrong apartment, raising the issue of what is permissible in situations where police have reason to believe evidence is being destroyed.

It began when police in Lexington, Ky., were following a suspect who allegedly had sold crack cocaine to an informer and then walked into an apartment building. They did not see which apartment he entered, but when they smelled marijuana smoke come from one of the apartments, they wrongly assumed he had gone into that one. They pounded on the door and called "Police. Police. Police," and heard the sounds of people moving.

At this, the officers announced they were coming in, and they broke down the door. They found Hollis King smoking marijuana, and put him under arrest. They also found powder cocaine. King was convicted of drug trafficking and sentenced to 11 years in prison.

But the Kentucky Supreme Court overturned his conviction and ruled the apartment break-in violated his 4th Amendment right against "unreasonable searches and seizures." Police had created an emergency by pounding on the door, the state justices said.

The Supreme Court heard an appeal from state prosecutors and reversed the ruling in Kentucky vs. King. Alito said the police conduct in this case "was entirely lawful," and they were justified in breaking down the door to prevent the destruction of the evidence.

"When law enforcement officers who are not armed with a warrant knock on a door, they do no more than any private citizen may do," he wrote. A resident need not respond, he added. But the sounds of people moving and perhaps toilets being flushed could justify police entering without a warrant, he added.

"Destruction of evidence issues probably occur most frequently in drug cases because drugs may be easily destroyed by flushing down a toilet," he added.

The ruling was not a final loss for King. The justices said the Kentucky state court should consider again whether the police faced an emergency situation in this case.

Ginsburg, however, said the court's approach "arms the police with a way routinely to dishonor the 4th Amendment's warrant requirement in drug cases." She said the police did not face a "genuine emergency" and should not have been allowed to enter the apartment without a warrant.

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Re: US Supreme Court flushes Fourth Amendment down the toilet in 8-1 ruling
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2011, 04:27:33 AM »
hmm fun.

I like to kid myself saying it'll eventually get better - and we'll have more freedoms. :)
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Re: US Supreme Court flushes Fourth Amendment down the toilet in 8-1 ruling
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2011, 10:38:59 PM »
yeah this is really the usurpation of the legislative branch of the government by the judicial
and with all of the conservative judges appointed by bush this kind of shit really comes as no suprize to me.
did you know you could go to jail for conspiring to conspire?
as in someone calls you for some nefarious purpose and you say you'll get back to them later.
you just conspired to conspire.
with over 10,000 ways the feds have to convict you if they got you in their sights your done.
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Re: US Supreme Court flushes Fourth Amendment down the toilet in 8-1 ruling
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2012, 12:42:22 PM »
So if you get up off the couch to answer their baboon-like banging and yelling, there will be sounds of "movement," giving them cause to kick the door in your face and shoot your dick off...
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Re: US Supreme Court flushes Fourth Amendment down the toilet in 8-1 ruling
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2012, 05:09:03 PM »
pretty much! and I cant seeing it getting better, in fact since this thread as started 8 months ago they already have got worse! SOPA and PIPA are just warm ups!

look whats happening to julian assuange, herr schmidt and partner/s, who are already "underway to the US for trial" and the 19yo kid from the UK with the TV sharing site who's just about to be extradited

not good

we should REALLY thanx vesp for what he's doing to share the love, its a worldclass act, this place, I guess no copyrighted data gets shared through here which helps...
and reDEEMed mentioned something about "drugs" becoming legal 'soon' in the states :o, which would truly bee a fine thing 8) 8) 8)... hey man of steel, (or anyone) can you elaborate please mate?
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Re: US Supreme Court flushes Fourth Amendment down the toilet in 8-1 ruling
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2012, 08:38:37 PM »
I know it's relatively old, but this is ridiculous.  They busted into the apartment of someone who had nothing to do with their initial suspect, and this guy gets sentenced to 11 years!?!?!  Did a little looking up; here's more details about the story:

http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/113352389.html
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Hollis King and his two friends might be the
unluckiest pot smokers in Kentucky.
The three men were sitting around King's apartment in Lexington,
Ky., on a Thursday night in October 2005, when police officers
knocked on the front door, then kicked it in. They did not have a
search warrant.
The police were looking for a man who fled into an apartment
building after selling cocaine to an informant. They heard a door
slam in a hallway, but by the time they were able to look down it,
they saw only two closed doors.
They didn't know which one the suspect had gone through, but,
smelling the aroma of burnt pot, chose the apartment on the left.
Their quarry had gone into the apartment on the right. But in
King's place, they found one person smoking pot and a small amount
of cocaine and money, and arrested King and his friends.
King pleaded guilty to drug charges, but the Kentucky Supreme
Court threw out the evidence against him and the conviction, ruling
that the police did not have cause to burst into his home without a
warrant.
The U.S. Supreme Court is hearing the state's appeal of that
ruling Wednesday, in a case that could clarify rules for when
police can conduct searches without a warrant.
The police contend they entered the apartment because they heard
noises they thought might indicate that evidence was being
destroyed. King says the noises they heard were people moving
around in response to the commotion in the hallway.
And what of the original suspect? The police eventually found
him in the apartment on the right. But prosecutors later dropped
charges against him for reasons that are not explained in court
papers.

And I can't believe the US Supreme Court overturned the state's ruling, especially given details like this:

http://www.denverlawreview.org/practitioners-pieces/2011/7/11/kentucky-v-king-exigent-circumstances-warrant-supreme-court.html
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The second and arguably the most important issue is whether the sounds of people moving around were consistent with the imminent destruction of evidence. Here, Officer Cobb testified that he did not hear any furniture moving. Moreover, at no time did Officer Cobb testify that he heard a toilet flush or running water, all sounds consistent with the imminent destruction of evidence. When pressed, Officer Cobb testified that he only heard people moving, and acknowledged that people move in apartments, but more importantly, movement is necessary to answer the door. In the same breath, Officer Cobb candidly admitted and Justice Alito later agreed that occupants do not have a legal obligation to speak to and/or open the door for police who fail to obtain a warrant. Having accepted “noise” as people moving, the Court should have discussed whether the sound of people moving is synonymous with the imminent destruction of evidence – the pillar of Kentucky’s exigent circumstances argument justifying the warrantless entry.  As Justice Ginsburg articulately asked in the dissent, “How ‘secure’ do our homes remain if police, armed with no warrant, can pound on doors at will and, on hearing sounds indicative of things moving, forcibly enter and search for evidence of unlawful activity?”

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Re: US Supreme Court flushes Fourth Amendment down the toilet in 8-1 ruling
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2012, 07:13:09 AM »
I'm not sure they did, here's the catch

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Exigent circumstances. Exigent circumstances are emergency situations where it would be unreasonable for the police to wait to get a warrant, like if a person is calling for help from inside your house, if the police are chasing a criminal suspect who runs into an office or home, or if evidence will be destroyed if the police do not act immediately.

there's some good info here on the 4th Ammendment     https://ssd.eff.org/your-computer/govt/warrantless
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Re: US Supreme Court flushes Fourth Amendment down the toilet in 8-1 ruling
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2012, 07:14:56 AM »
I'm not sure they did, here's the catch

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Exigent circumstances. Exigent circumstances are emergency situations where it would be unreasonable for the police to wait to get a warrant, like if a person is calling for help from inside your house, if the police are chasing a criminal suspect who runs into an office or home, or if evidence will be destroyed if the police do not act immediately.

there's some good info here on the 4th Ammendment     https://ssd.eff.org/your-computer/govt/warrantless

but FFS 11 years for a bit o pot :o
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Re: US Supreme Court flushes Fourth Amendment down the toilet in 8-1 ruling
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2012, 07:24:05 AM »
Fuck this country. Have I ever mentioned that I HATE the USA?

Kill it. Start over.
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Re: US Supreme Court flushes Fourth Amendment down the toilet in 8-1 ruling
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2012, 08:17:11 AM »
Ay-fuckinngmen
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