it's primarily antibonding [orbital] forces that always prevent two bodies of matter from making contact, unless they engage in fusion.
Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2011, 03:22:02 PM »
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2011, 07:03:01 PM »
it's primarily antibonding [orbital] forces that always prevent two bodies of matter from making contact, unless they engage in fusion.
In physics, that's called the 'electron degeneracy pressure' resulting from the Pauli exclusion principle, but it also includes Van der Waal's forces resulting from electrostatic repulsion when two nuclei are not close enough for their electron orbitals to overlap. Also, it doesn't really make sense for two particles to "make contact", since they are treated as mathematical points anyway.
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2011, 09:32:32 PM »
we're not considering particles, we're considering atoms... two atoms may fuse together, effectively making contact.
antibonding orbitals (an inorg chem topic) negate any attractive force between two atom nuclei; it's a function of VdW radii.
antibonding orbitals (an inorg chem topic) negate any attractive force between two atom nuclei; it's a function of VdW radii.
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2011, 10:47:32 PM »
ELR, personally I find it hard to believe that it all boils down to a physical system. This mass of stainless steel, bone and fat that you call reDEEMed is being animated by something. Something makes living things live and to dismiss it so easily smacks of arrogance in the highest sense. I'm not busting your balls, but anytime someone tries to definitively say things are this way or that way when speaking about something that is not yet understood, they always look foolish in the end. You're obviously not stupid. You could atleast admit that there is in fact an energetic component to being human, or anything alive for that matter, but the extent of that is not well known. You could say that it all boils down to the interactions of chemicals and this infinitely complex web of chemical reactions are what make us alive, but that doesn't account for why we are all different. In fact that explanation falls flat rather quickly. There is something deeper, there just is, your scientific mind should insist on it.
As I said, I'm somewhat a skeptic too, but I will do this little experiment and we'll see if anything interesting happens.
As I said, I'm somewhat a skeptic too, but I will do this little experiment and we'll see if anything interesting happens.
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2011, 11:59:06 PM »
Crystallization is a phenomenon that is a consequence of the Second Law of Thermodynamics 
Some members seem to think that the laws of physics are inconvenient, which is certainly the case for those that don't understand them 
There are energy fields associated with life, but credible evidence supporting any connection between physical phenomena and such energy fields is rather sparse at best 
The internet is rife with charlatans, and that's not going to change anytime soon 
Some members seem to think that the laws of physics are inconvenient, which is certainly the case for those that don't understand them There are energy fields associated with life, but credible evidence supporting any connection between physical phenomena and such energy fields is rather sparse at best The internet is rife with charlatans, and that's not going to change anytime soon aniracetam
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2011, 12:06:21 AM »
I've said it before..spewing theory is all fun and good, but if you can't show evidence for it through application, it's just cerebral wanking.
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2011, 12:28:08 AM »
You guys seem to insist that I think this guy is on to something. That paper just got me thinking, nothing more. I in no way believe that essential oils are magic and need human intent to somehow be whole. I am aware that crystallization is a function of thermodynamic law and I in no way see the laws of physics as inconvenient. The reason crystallization makes such a great candidate for this experiment is because it's like the 30 ton stone being vibrated. It's easily influenced, touchy and temperamental by it's very nature.
I'm not surprised at the general consensus of opinion here, I am surprised at how no matter how many ways I say what my intentions are it goes misunderstood. It just seems so counter to the scientific mindset to have such a rigid idea of how things must be, especially considering the sparse evidence. It's almost as if some of you sound afraid that if this were to be true you would have to rearrange your entire paradigm to keep it from collapsing.
If experiments are indeed the only means of knowledge at our disposal, it would seem that encouraging that would be the top priority. I'm just sayin'
I'm not surprised at the general consensus of opinion here, I am surprised at how no matter how many ways I say what my intentions are it goes misunderstood. It just seems so counter to the scientific mindset to have such a rigid idea of how things must be, especially considering the sparse evidence. It's almost as if some of you sound afraid that if this were to be true you would have to rearrange your entire paradigm to keep it from collapsing.
If experiments are indeed the only means of knowledge at our disposal, it would seem that encouraging that would be the top priority. I'm just sayin'
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2011, 12:33:04 AM »
I do encourage it. 
I encourage expermentation, all the time. I was speaking generally, it wasn't directed to you.
I'm a man of action. If I have a theory in mind, I put it to the test through repeated experimentation.
Someone could talk about the physics theory behind a chemical process, reaction scheme, or general technique...but if that person hasn't done an experiment to show evidence which supports the theory, he/she doesn't really know. It's as good as hearsay.
I encourage expermentation, all the time. I was speaking generally, it wasn't directed to you.I'm a man of action. If I have a theory in mind, I put it to the test through repeated experimentation.
Someone could talk about the physics theory behind a chemical process, reaction scheme, or general technique...but if that person hasn't done an experiment to show evidence which supports the theory, he/she doesn't really know. It's as good as hearsay.
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2011, 12:44:46 AM »
I don't know about repeated experimentation. I said I would give it a shot, don't get carried away. 
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2011, 02:26:04 PM »
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personally I find it hard to believe that it all boils down to a physical system. This mass of stainless steel, bone and fat that you call reDEEMed is being animated by something. Something makes living things live and to dismiss it so easily smacks of arrogance in the highest sense.
Yeah, so do I, I DO Believe that humans ARE capable of 'using/directing' this "Life Force" which flows through ALL living thing, and to some degree or another "Everything Is Alive"
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Main Entry: spirit
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: soul, attitude
Synonyms: air, animation, ardor, backbone*, boldness, breath, character, complexion, courage, dauntlessness, disposition, earnestness, energy, enterprise, enthusiasm, essence, fire, force, frame of mind, gameness, grit, guts*, heart, humor, jazz, life, life force , liveliness, mettle, mood, morale, motivation, nerve, oomph, outlook, psyche, quality, resolution, resolve, sparkle, spunk*, stoutheartedness, substance, temper, temperament, tenor, vigor, vital spark, vitality, warmth, will, willpower, zest
I Choose to call this 'Force' Chi, pronounced 'Chee' .. there are several ways of saying this, and it 'means different things' depending upon its use, its 'context' so to speak.
It stems from the chinese characters for steam/breath---'it flows through Every Living thing'
And chi is Based on, and Absolutely focused upon, ones Breathing,, More than ANYthing else,IS;
"Your Connection With The Life Force",,Survival depends on food, shelter(including clothing, as needed), water and air--the last one could Least do "without!" 4 minutes if your Very Lucky and/very fit!
Anyone who has had the Good fortune to have been treated by a Good Acupuncturist will have 'Experienced the Effects' of having 'their chi manipulated,via the stimulation of various 'corridors' for this energy (known as "Meridians" in acuspeak) by using needles to
'stimulate or regulate' "Imbalances in the Flow of this Life Force",,which is known as, chi,Qi, Kundalini and other names;
will Know that 'Something Happened' during the treatment, and after several visits to a Good practitioner, (who, like Drs, are Few, and Far between!) it becomes More than Obvious, 'Somethings Working, Or you wouldnt be coming back!
I have NO DOUBT about this Energy---and Its Possibilities,I think they ARE FAR GREATER than we "Allow ourselves to believe",sadly the Sheeple have been "Well INdocrinated" to think/believe 'other wise'...
After all,,"We ALL KNOW,fact, that Nikola Tesla was a Nut, who Died a Pauper, Because HE was A Nut...Simple, eh? GO the Mighty/mightynot US of fuckin A
May The Force be with You
Hyppy
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2011, 06:15:47 AM »
the thing about quantum and string and so on is that as aniracetam has stated experiment is what realy
lets us know what can and can not be done. well so far anyway.
from this experimentation we then come up with some theories as to why it is happening then make some more
experiments to try and disprove them.
this is not exact as some seem to think.
lets take a look at a good old game console emulator as an example.
reverse engineering is exactly what we are trying to do when we look into chemistry.
some one makes a game machine and then every one wants to use it on there peecee.
well some cracker then decides to try and reverse engineer the machine and make a virtual
machine to do the job for you.
these machines work as does our chemistry but they are not the same as the real thing.
why ?
becouse the console is propriotory and it is all guesses and trial and error to see if we can get it to work.
who is to say that our model although working at the moment is nothing like the origonal console but just
a way that seems to work for us.
start with our plum model then work out to plank then off to string and now were leaving that behind for
membrane theory.
it will not end as we did not make the console so we can never realy see how it was made.
everything is guesses.
why does water boil ?
its easy to say we have a boiling point and that is why it boils.
but the underneath is quite tricky and I think still not known to us.
why is there life ?
how can something from the two branes be able to think and act as we do.
maby there is another brane involved that we have not thought about.
still for all of my trying I can "not" (after post addition big crystal in the sky conned me again) open a door with my mind so experiment will have to rule on this one for me.
still I wont let my meth sleep not one wink
lets us know what can and can not be done. well so far anyway.
from this experimentation we then come up with some theories as to why it is happening then make some more
experiments to try and disprove them.
this is not exact as some seem to think.
lets take a look at a good old game console emulator as an example.
reverse engineering is exactly what we are trying to do when we look into chemistry.
some one makes a game machine and then every one wants to use it on there peecee.
well some cracker then decides to try and reverse engineer the machine and make a virtual
machine to do the job for you.
these machines work as does our chemistry but they are not the same as the real thing.
why ?
becouse the console is propriotory and it is all guesses and trial and error to see if we can get it to work.
who is to say that our model although working at the moment is nothing like the origonal console but just
a way that seems to work for us.
start with our plum model then work out to plank then off to string and now were leaving that behind for
membrane theory.
it will not end as we did not make the console so we can never realy see how it was made.
everything is guesses.
why does water boil ?
its easy to say we have a boiling point and that is why it boils.
but the underneath is quite tricky and I think still not known to us.
why is there life ?
how can something from the two branes be able to think and act as we do.
maby there is another brane involved that we have not thought about.
still for all of my trying I can "not" (after post addition big crystal in the sky conned me again) open a door with my mind so experiment will have to rule on this one for me.
still I wont let my meth sleep not one wink
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2011, 09:05:41 AM »
So its not Too great a "Stretch of thinking" to include the Fact , that "as humans Do 'generate energy, in a variety of ways, heat,kinetic,etc', wouldn't it be Quite reasonable, to consider, This Human Energy interacts with other "energy within its Realm" whatever that entails--I suppose the Really weird part, IS, we have No Idea 'how far' a persons energy 'radiates' or ,in fact, what 'it' actually IS!
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2011, 01:49:03 PM »
That's what occurs to me too. What is it and how far can it reach. Is it like waves in water that can go until friction stops it?
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2011, 01:46:20 PM »
No I think it IS NOT affected by such things, the 'energy' we, say, "put into thinking" its Energy,, full stop, and "we as a species, have been distracted by,, this BullShit world Uneconmy we currently live in" to think of Extraordinarily trivial SHIT
We have 'collectively forgotten' the things in Life, that Truly Matter,,like the "happiness and Wellbeing of our Neighbors" coz the people around you, make 'your own world' and there some Truly Mad Cunts out there,, and they are, Not who you think!
We have 'collectively forgotten' the things in Life, that Truly Matter,,like the "happiness and Wellbeing of our Neighbors" coz the people around you, make 'your own world' and there some Truly Mad Cunts out there,, and they are, Not who you think!
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2011, 09:14:59 PM »
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So its not Too great a "Stretch of thinking" to include the Fact , that "as humans Do 'generate energy, in a variety of ways, heat,kinetic,etc', wouldn't it be Quite reasonable, to consider, This Human Energy interacts with other "energy within its Realm" whatever that entails--I suppose the Really weird part, IS, we have No Idea 'how far' a persons energy 'radiates' or ,in fact, what 'it' actually IS[/
You already stated with "It" is, sound and electromagnetism ect... these all radiate in minute quantities from the human body. I feel personally that a form of ultrasonic vibrations emanating from the human body is responsible for the experiments I was talking about that seem to suggest some form of telekinesis.
Sound waves are nothing more then a transversal wave where the molecules of the medium it travels thru are compressed and decompressed. You must all throw away your senses at this point and stop thinking about what you see as one form of energy, what you feel as another and what you speak and hear as something else. These are all a single energy. Your body absorbs these various frequency of energy and regurgitates them out in one fashion or another. Given that we have a means, thru speech and hearing, to manipulate transversal waves through time and space I am almost sure there is some means in the human body to retransmit the electromagnetic radiation absorbed through the retina. I am not certain what this might be however.
Its kind of like the old proverb "whats the sound of one hand clapping?"..... one would live to assume there is no sound but this can not be, the motion of the hand compresses the air molecules in front of it creating a pressure wave. OM is the sound of one hand clapping and is the sound of all sound audible or not.
That's what occurs to me too. What is it and how far can it reach. Is it like waves in water that can go until friction stops it?
Energy radiates indefinitely, proportional to the inverse square of the distance from the energy source.
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2011, 10:18:35 AM »
I couldn't agree more,, You Sedit mon!
However
And As energy is expressed in variations of the "electro magnetic fields" around us that we are Only Aware through our '5 senses' of a few small sections of it
E.g. Our skin responds to UV light,,yet hardly touches our eyes, and our ears hear sound,, but our bodies can ALSO feel it,,,
IMHO I think the "average Joe" has been "dumbed down" from the day he was born--and I'm not a big fan of the Type of "New World Order" thats just around the bend.......
Yet I do believe, that when enough people, start using "the power of love, rather than the Love of Power" many things will change,,but maybe "Enough People" wont.....and then we're fuckt!
How many IS enough??? The square root of the population of people involved...UNITED in Goal..
Soooo in this world of 6 thousand million people......the Sqrt is about 75,500
But they MUST have an Agreed upon goal
Coz I KNOW FOR SURE, I Am Able to Direct 'my' energy, via my thinking ONLY
Sounds 'unusual' but I've been working on this for some decades now...and its only because I chose a long time ago--NOT to "Conform" Unless I thought it was a good Idea....I am a "Discordian Pope" with little faith in the "endocrinated and feeble minds of this world"
Most Sheople dont "think"; the 'closest they come to Creative Thinking' is praying to something mythical, they have been "Born,bred, and corn fed" to BELIEVE in!! Its absolute BULLSHIT!!! They are far too basic to Actually go and Look and Learn, and Think "For Themselves" whoa! what then!!!!!
Shit!!! it "took" the Mathematical Geniuii of the World, over 200 years to 'solve'
"Fermats last Theorem"
It took one guy, effectively, most of his Life, learning math to the 'Level' where it THEN took him 7 Years EVERYDAY,, to 'solve it' and even then, the Proof was about 200 pages long!!!
I have No Doubt, we shall learn "other ways" in which to "consider our world"
ALERT!!! New RANDOM Enemy, Can, and will, strike ANYWHERE, at ANYTIME!!!
Name......GLOBAL WARMING TERRORISTS
(who are Forcing the Planet To MAKE DRUGS!!!)
Matey down here we talk of "Land Rights for Gay whales"
How they gonna pay their "Carbon Tax"...come to think of it? how can anybody PAY? SERIOUSLY?
CONSIDER just ANOTHER FORM OF GLOBAL TRADING for NOTHING,,where All God's Chillun,,Gots to pay the Preacher"
Yep,,We Can AND Do have a huge effect on EVERYTHING!!!
However
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Energy radiates indefinitely, proportional to the inverse square of the distance from the energy source.
And As energy is expressed in variations of the "electro magnetic fields" around us that we are Only Aware through our '5 senses' of a few small sections of it
E.g. Our skin responds to UV light,,yet hardly touches our eyes, and our ears hear sound,, but our bodies can ALSO feel it,,,
IMHO I think the "average Joe" has been "dumbed down" from the day he was born--and I'm not a big fan of the Type of "New World Order" thats just around the bend.......
Yet I do believe, that when enough people, start using "the power of love, rather than the Love of Power" many things will change,,but maybe "Enough People" wont.....and then we're fuckt!
How many IS enough??? The square root of the population of people involved...UNITED in Goal..
Soooo in this world of 6 thousand million people......the Sqrt is about 75,500
But they MUST have an Agreed upon goal
Coz I KNOW FOR SURE, I Am Able to Direct 'my' energy, via my thinking ONLY
Sounds 'unusual' but I've been working on this for some decades now...and its only because I chose a long time ago--NOT to "Conform" Unless I thought it was a good Idea....I am a "Discordian Pope" with little faith in the "endocrinated and feeble minds of this world"
Most Sheople dont "think"; the 'closest they come to Creative Thinking' is praying to something mythical, they have been "Born,bred, and corn fed" to BELIEVE in!! Its absolute BULLSHIT!!! They are far too basic to Actually go and Look and Learn, and Think "For Themselves" whoa! what then!!!!!
Shit!!! it "took" the Mathematical Geniuii of the World, over 200 years to 'solve'
"Fermats last Theorem"
It took one guy, effectively, most of his Life, learning math to the 'Level' where it THEN took him 7 Years EVERYDAY,, to 'solve it' and even then, the Proof was about 200 pages long!!!
I have No Doubt, we shall learn "other ways" in which to "consider our world"
ALERT!!! New RANDOM Enemy, Can, and will, strike ANYWHERE, at ANYTIME!!!
Name......GLOBAL WARMING TERRORISTS
(who are Forcing the Planet To MAKE DRUGS!!!)
Matey down here we talk of "Land Rights for Gay whales"
How they gonna pay their "Carbon Tax"...come to think of it? how can anybody PAY? SERIOUSLY?CONSIDER just ANOTHER FORM OF GLOBAL TRADING for NOTHING,,where All God's Chillun,,Gots to pay the Preacher"
Yep,,We Can AND Do have a huge effect on EVERYTHING!!!
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2011, 06:59:26 AM »
Some physicists believe integration of various models support a conclusion that there's only one electron in the universe (a figure arrived at by adding up the probability of an electron appearing in the quantum clouds of all the atoms in the universe lol).
Which would at least provide an alternative model of our connection to a chemical reaction and the universe. There was a time I sat bored in a large classroom and found someone I could turn around just by staring at the back of their heads, an interesting effect on a complex being. And a time I could turn some women walking down the street around from behind with just a lustful look at their butt.
On a more prosaic level, if you put enough energy into this board, you get to see the reference forum when you hit 10 posts! That will affect both my human energy and my theoretical chemistry. Still looking for the thread that tells you where to buy anhydrous hydrazine and MDP2P and similar without any hassle or heat whatsoever, I know the mods said it was here somewhere.
Which would at least provide an alternative model of our connection to a chemical reaction and the universe. There was a time I sat bored in a large classroom and found someone I could turn around just by staring at the back of their heads, an interesting effect on a complex being. And a time I could turn some women walking down the street around from behind with just a lustful look at their butt.
On a more prosaic level, if you put enough energy into this board, you get to see the reference forum when you hit 10 posts! That will affect both my human energy and my theoretical chemistry. Still looking for the thread that tells you where to buy anhydrous hydrazine and MDP2P and similar without any hassle or heat whatsoever, I know the mods said it was here somewhere.
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2011, 11:43:01 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
"This behavior is theoretically coherent and has been demonstrated experimentally, and it is accepted by the physics community."
A bit too complex to me, (the math, not the concept) but it is supposed to work to some degree. I have concluded that all particles share weak connections and can be influenced (to a limited degree) by an object such as a human, or really any particle that has become entangled. The human conscience, I feel, is much more limited than our sub-conscience..in what it has the power to do & show us/the people around us.
"This behavior is theoretically coherent and has been demonstrated experimentally, and it is accepted by the physics community."
A bit too complex to me, (the math, not the concept) but it is supposed to work to some degree.
I have concluded that all particles share weak connections and can be influenced (to a limited degree) by an object such as a human, or really any particle that has become entangled. The human conscience, I feel, is much more limited than our sub-conscience..in what it has the power to do & show us/the people around us. hypnos
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Re: The effects of human energy on chemistry
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2011, 09:52:17 AM »
"there is no doubt , we 'affect our reality to suit ourselves, "With our Thinking"
Ask yourself, IF you can recall a time, you a) wanted something, with NO Idea how to Get It?
Then Remember, how this Thing eventually,, 'some how came into your life'......? i.e your Drivers Licence, Girlfriend, whatever you "dreamt of" so to speak, Something you wanted,,a Lot!
Now look back and ask yourself "Did I achieve that goal?" and you'll find that most of us here will say 'yes' "we Have achieved many, if not Most, of the "things we've 'wished/prayed' for,,
And yet when it happens,,, MOST People say "What a Co-incidence"!!!,,,Co-incidence my Arse!!! THINK About it--add a bit of Personal Energy, and Voila! ya gots what ya 'thought about/prayed for"!!!
IF there is a Group of equal or greater proportions to yours--your ability will be "compromised" to some degree, depending on their unity?
Does anyone recall The First Group to Claim they "Had achieved 'room temparature Superconductivity',,,back in the '90s,,,and then two other research groups "Released Their Papers, claiming THE SAME THING......WITHIN 24 HRS of each other!!!
Think about it,,these guys had been "secretly workin away at this project," Unaware of each others work....and yet they ALL submit papers, that could win them a Nobel Prize,,,ON THE SAME DAY!!!....I believe they ended up "sharing the Prize"
Its now occuring more because of social networking----Hey off topic--anyone know how Julian Assuange Extradition fight is going? IF he loses,, THE SHIT GONNA HIT THE FAN!!!
"Fighting for Peace is like Fuckin For Viginity".......old hyppy proverb
Hyppy
Ask yourself, IF you can recall a time, you a) wanted something, with NO Idea how to Get It?
Then Remember, how this Thing eventually,, 'some how came into your life'......? i.e your Drivers Licence, Girlfriend, whatever you "dreamt of" so to speak, Something you wanted,,a Lot!
Now look back and ask yourself "Did I achieve that goal?" and you'll find that most of us here will say 'yes' "we Have achieved many, if not Most, of the "things we've 'wished/prayed' for,,
And yet when it happens,,, MOST People say "What a Co-incidence"!!!,,,Co-incidence my Arse!!! THINK About it--add a bit of Personal Energy, and Voila! ya gots what ya 'thought about/prayed for"!!!
IF there is a Group of equal or greater proportions to yours--your ability will be "compromised" to some degree, depending on their unity?
Does anyone recall The First Group to Claim they "Had achieved 'room temparature Superconductivity',,,back in the '90s,,,and then two other research groups "Released Their Papers, claiming THE SAME THING......WITHIN 24 HRS of each other!!!
Think about it,,these guys had been "secretly workin away at this project," Unaware of each others work....and yet they ALL submit papers, that could win them a Nobel Prize,,,ON THE SAME DAY!!!....I believe they ended up "sharing the Prize"
Its now occuring more because of social networking----Hey off topic--anyone know how Julian Assuange Extradition fight is going? IF he loses,, THE SHIT GONNA HIT THE FAN!!!
"Fighting for Peace is like Fuckin For Viginity".......old hyppy proverb
Hyppy