Been watching zeitgeist? That's all well and fine, until your life doesn't leave you satisfied. I'm coming 'round to the idea that I'd rather be happy than right (which makes me right..).

Jon, I find your take away surprising. I was raised southern baptist and it took a long time to get that out of me, but it is indeed gone. I wouldn't be so quick to say that Jesus never lived, there are too many historical stains of his existence to say that. I think anybody with even a quarter of a brain who pays attention will see that religion is most certainly about control and not any form of so called salvation. What leads me to believe that the christian religion is mainly a creation of man in an effort to control is it's inconsistencies. It has became funny to me that so few people see that christianity's most fundamental tenant undermines the entire rest of the religion. The idea that Jesus came and lived a perfect life and was promptly murdered by us, which somehow enables us to be reconciled with the creator. If Jesus already reconciled me with God, then why do I have live a particular way in order to 'go to heaven'? Especially considering that most of these modifications in my behavior are purely social constructs and they do nothing to advance what Jesus himself called the greatest of the lord's commandments, which is ofcourse to love God first and your neighbor second. But, anyone who reads the bible carefully and through the proper eyes, ie it's not a book, but a collection of hand picked books that it's self was not assembled until relatively recently, will notice that Jesus himself never said anything about the type of behaviors that we associate with being 'christian'.

The religion of christianity is a man made religion (like all of them) that was made around a very special and influential person who most likely did exist. I wouldn't be so quick to say that Jesus did not exist just because of what men who seek to control have done to his teachings. As someone who has studied the bible more than most and truly sought after the knowledge rather than the reward, I can tell you that I find no break in the continuity of God and science, infact they strengthen one another.

Come on, Jon, I look up to you kneegrow! I know you got more than that.

well to address the existence of jesus i can say when i was incarcerated i was searching for jesus but there were 100 guys there named jesus.
so who was the right one?
So i'm still confused;  yeah jesus exists (in plurality mostly in mexico).

Btw, you're a smart ass, Jon, we should totally drink alcohol together.

Play dominoes and read the latest John Grishahm book. I did nothing but work the whole time I was in, not long, 13 months total. Nobody putting money on my books so I stayed hungry unless I worked. I drew portraits of peoples kids and dogs and shit and drew on envelopes and traded them for commissary. Fuck jail, I won't go back. I might go to hell, but not jail.

I spent christmas eve in the hole for fighting, but got released totally by surprise that night (actually my third day in the hole had two to go). There were so many people in the hole they had us paired up, which never happens. Fuck man, my cellmate had a radio and cards and kinds of magazines n shit, it was pretty cool. Plus, he ended up being a very solid connect later on, if you dig what I mean

The only fiction I ever read was in jail. But where I was you couldn't get a good reference book. You could get a few hours in the law library everyday IF you refused an attorney, but that's it. If you was gonna read, it was gonna be fiction. I read a Dean Coontz book too, door to december, that was pretty cool. I did all my time in a DOC holding facility, a fucking super max I shit you not. Everybody did their first three years there. Glad I didn't have to. They wanted me to do ten years, bastards. They fucked up and let me out on bond and I fled, came back 2 years later with over 10 grand and got an attorney. I didn't have a penny left when I got on that plane to come home, but I was paid in full, time served all that.

I don't know what's up with that, though. Mutherfuckers do love them some cops in the joint lmao.

So we evolved and developed an entire part of our brain devoted to blind faith... this is why its so easy to believe in religion and so hard to let it go... like it is actually still a part of us, even though we now know the real story.

That's the jist.. read Carl jung

Sedit edit... just incase he dont know who jung is

Sedit, are there people who don't know who jung is?

yeah i see that last time i went to church i was counting how much they took up during that collection i estimated 4000.
for just one service.
i think i want to become a catholic and get access to the treasury office.
one time this guy came to buy a lot of drugs from me i noticed he had more money than usual i thought it strange.
he explained he just got back from the methodist church (in the richest part of town)
after collections the treasurer's office was unlocked so he stuffed his pockets.
i was tripping acid and he said it was basically like this: the collection gets passed around and when the basket was full he crammed his pockets full.
i busted out laughing, thanking jesus for the drug money.
who said the lord does'nt provide?

i heard of this traveling healing preacher who was dosing the punch with mdma and having faith revival healings.
the mdma made people "feel" the presence of god and physically better.
he got caught but he raked in some major dough.
i just need to get my preaching game down.
tell them folks to open their hearts to jesus and thier wallets too!
i dunno i bet he got some hard time, drugging the flock.
it was some of the most bizzare shit i ever heard of.