Wow, what a great show. I have always known that DMT is a special chemical and worthy of some respect that one often would not have for a chemical, but I had no idea, really. I still have no intent on worshiping this chemical, but I do see it in a different light now. I will be watching it again several times to take it all in, but I did manage to hang on to a few pieces of good analogy to make talking about the experience easier. One analogy in particular that stunned me to the point that it took about 10 minutes before I could hear the tv again, was that DMT is a carrier or material capable of conducting the most elemental of energies, the energy that connects us all. Their discussion of the pineal (msp?) gland and how the more they look at the brain the more it looks like nothing more than an antenna that is tuned to these energies or energy. I really don't see why most people can not marry spirituality with science. To me it's so obvious and in your face. Not one sentence in the bible contradicts anything science has ever uncovered. Interpretations, that's another story.

I'm very close to being ready to try DMT for the first time and I cannot wait! I've tried to smoke it before, but couldn't do it, YUK! I'm pretty good at injecting myself, I think that's the way to do it when jungle brew isn't an option.

Anyone here have any direct experience with injecting DMT? I've read lots of accounts here and there, I'm more asking for first hand experience, or will I be the one on this board everybody asks because I'll be the only one who's done it? :^D

My opinion ----->

First . That was political ......this is fact and not my opinion .

The film isnt a real documentry and a lot of the things said / claimed in it are bolloks . Its made from a point of view and trys to validate that point of view = its NOT science .

Science and spirituality meet and fit perfectly what doesnt is some peoples idea of science and what they think is spirituality .

When injected IV hallucinogens are imposible to tell apart other than by watching a clock acording to experiments . Thats true in my experience to . If a person is given something and told its acid the people have what they think is an acid trip . the same for other hallucinogens . When a person is told what a drug does before they take it they often experience what has been described . That is well shown by the shit terrorist mckenna babbled about DMT and machine elves and since then loads of people have experienced them . Now its spread to other drugs and people are reporting machine elves from saliva divinorum . There wasnt a history of machine elves experiences with any drug . Its got so far that mentaly ill people claim that the US government has been taken over by DMT beings . Alex gray <---- probably spelt the name rong cos i dont remember shit as i dont want to polute my brain .


If some people at an LSD party are given a placebo they often experience a "trip" . Placebo is incredibly potent . I`ve seen that happen and also experienced trip like symptoms from sitting others who had taken trips when i had taken nothing .


"was that DMT is a carrier or material capable of conducting the most elemental of energies, the energy that connects us all. Their discussion of the pineal (msp?) gland and how the more they look at the brain the more it looks like nothing more than an antenna that is tuned to these energies or energy."

Thats typical shit that that film is trying to convince people is fact and ..... science . It is NOT . Both things are claims  thatb have no or very little conection with reality . Who are "they" ? What energy / s ?

Always look at things with neutral , objective and critical eyes . Believe NOTHING . Either things are facts or not facts . <-------- Scientific method .

Whatever you do dont inject DMT unless you are 110 % sure its what its suposed to be and 110 % pure . The difference between injecting it and smokeing it ...... if you get a GOOD hit ..... are minimal . The same with most drugs its the speed it hits you that makes the difference and the end effect is the same .


EDIT - One should NEVER fix hallucinogens on ones own or smoke DMT alone . People can and do fall over when the drug hits them .

You say you want to learn chemistry . A good place to start is to look at things and ask questions ....... question everything  . The title of that film is a dead give away and should prevent it from being taken to seriously . Whats spirit ? What conection to spirit has DMT ? The title reads like someone trying to sell something and not like science .

I once had 5 kilo of madenii from that park in sydney.

I was on the street at the time and looked up the right place to go then grab as much bark as I felt
moraly able (I didont ring the trees I love nature)

that stuff was strong enough that smoking the bark alone would start me onto hyper.

not as strong as pure of course but ive heard reports here that madenii is no good.

this is not what I have found.
though there are a lot of wattle that looks like madenii out there.

acid party placebo ?

fuck how can one have an acid placebo ?

anyone who thinks there on acid and there not has obviously never had acid.

A few non personal comments ----->

"ive heard reports here that madenii is no good."

When i UTFSE the most info said that the DMT content of bark and leaves in A.Maidenii is disputed and / or some trees have it and others dont . In my experience the leaves dont .

"here are a lot of wattle that looks like madenii out there."

Lucky fucker ...... i wish i lived where you live .

"acid party placebo ?"

It used to be fashion = most people got a good dose and one or two didnt get anything at partys here . A load of people didnt realise . The reactions and the descriptions of the effects of acid i read about in forums make me believe that the most people never had any acid or it was realy shitty and in a mouse dose . If the walls dont move i dont want it .

"I don't entirely believe in beings, although I will swear that I met... some things. "

I understand that but we have to remember we have taken an hallucinogen . That makes all stimuli that the brain recieves dificult or at least different to asess . Has anyone ever listened to their blood vesels and organs ? They make a fuckin hell of a row and sound realy scarey ....... i was in hospital today and had a listen . It was like a horror movie . Those sounds can also be heard by the brain alone but they get filtered out so we dont hear them . They and other stimuli can be interpreted diferently by the brain and thats where the sounds , voices , a lot of the feelings and the machine elves come from . The brain falsly interpreting stimuli . <------- Try meditateing and listen to it ...... it`ll put the shits up you if you can find / hear it . Cells also have their own chatter on a deeper level .

True test of it all is ....... tell me something that the voices / machine elves / beeings say about new technology and distant / future events and lets check it out . From all the people who claim some sort of contact NOTHING has been said that is new / unknown or inovateive .



Ladys ..... what abbout trying trips to explore our inner selves and not just for escapeism and hedonism ? `Take trip on empty stomach in total darkness and silence . Then turn the mind inwards and turn one system of after another  ..... peeling the layers of the onion ......and try to get to the center ...... THE WHITE LIGHT ......... If you get there it will change you and your life and develope your personality ........ one can even become ADULT .....

This is an interactive post so please insert fucks , shits cunts and bollocks where you feel they are needed or if your a prick and have mental problems with words DONT . Thanks  xxx

"ego death being a prime example"

I couldnt agree more . Its one of the things the REALY REALY pisses me off about a load of books and forums . The fuckers have never experienced it and ....... have never tried . All one has to do is look for it . For most people takeing drugs is either trying to escape or it just pure hedonism . Coke being a very good example .

"the believe nothing part"

There is knowing amd not knowing and probability ......... plus intuition . Intuition being a source of information that we cant quantify or realy explain = ESP . This is what we are trying to isolate / define when we explore our minds . The white light of enlightenment ..... the conection between pure consciousness and the physical being and the trip called .......... "life" . Theorys should not be based on belief they should come from looking for explenations for observed phenomenen and posible answers to questions . Maybe we are tripping over definitions ? I mean by belief ...... santa claus , jesus died to save me from your sinns and the easter bunny . = putting a stupid or fantasy explenation forwards as an answer ....... to fill a gap and protect a person from the fear of not knowing . Death and the end of the universe being two good examples . People are so shit scared of not knowing that they pretend to or are stupid enough to "believe" SHIT . I dont give a fuck about what i dont know . All i know is what is proveable and everything else i dont know . Belief , faith and trust are childish concepts and the death of thinking . Christianity , judaism , catholisism and islam being prime examples of the trouble belief , faith and trust can cause . People who dont realy believe and are just trying to hurt people to prove that their belief is better / more true than other peoples .

"I find it impossible to separate this phenomenon of a spirit from the rest of the human experience."

I dont know what spirit is . I think you mean consciousness ? ......and that there is / could be more to the picture than meets the eye . What that is i cant prove but feel i have experienced it from meditation and directed dreaming , eating up to 50 G. hash and meditateing and several near death experiences . I had those experiences fact ..... but i wont say that they represent the ultimate reality .....or that the things i "saw" and remember are real .... because that would be belief . All i can say is that i have less than no fear of death and am looking forwards to mine ......... so long as its like "the last time" and isnt long and painfull....... since i set out to explore my mind and had those experiences .

"our brains are conductors of a primal energy and that some chemicals can tune the brain to frequencies it normally filters."

I understand and in my mind i dont believe it but that is on the list of posible explenations = things i dont know but that could be the answer ........ but i dont believe . Death could be bang gone the end and near death experiences just the body trying to deal with it and not totaly shit out . The big question is why we = VERY many people have near death experiences that are very similar ? Why humans have a set of functions that can make death less threatening and easyer to take / acept . Our behaviour and chemistry comes from evolutiuon and we only experience death once so how the fuck did the body develope those functions with nothing to learn from ?

Part of the reason i dont like the spirit molecule is that its mostly second hand = people talking about things others have experienced ..... AND ........ dieing isnt the same as a DMT trip ....... AND ....... i have never seen , experienced and heard of anything in life that could be compared sensibly to a DMT experience . I have had experiences that could be compared to DMT but the suddenness of the experiences and their short length rule out DMT . The body doesnt produce enough ? and DMT needs beta carbolines in a big enough quantity to be made active or one has to inject or smoke it ....... again a matter of dose .

"I see those experiences in your head as just as if not more valid than what takes place externally."

Yes ...... in their own way ...... but ...... to believe that one has to dismiss the diferences between "reality" and fantasy . Life is a hallucination and reality and fantasy are realy the same but on different levels . There we go off into solipsism and / or ....... psychosis ........ or ....... "belief" .......

"The state of your mind is what makes a bad situation seem good or a good one seem bad, it's all about perspective, everything. So, the state of ones mind is profoundly important imo"

There we have to be very carefull that we dont drift of into the worst side of esoterics = "I`m rich cos i`m good" ......" you only have bad experiences because you are negative" ........ or budism ..... = a belief propogated by a rich prince who told poor people that they were poor and rich people were rich because of karma . That one shouldnt fight rich bastards and get our money back but acept being slaves and shit on and concentrate on licking arse / towing the line so that we are reborn as happy little hippy shit . Of cource perspective has a big role in life but a kick in the balls , dieing of hunger or radiation poisoning are BIG shit whatever we believe . A persons character ( state of mind ) make much more of an effect / diference than belief . I think that its VERY important in life to diferentiate and not to lump things together and say that they fit <------ again that leads back to that film and the one i was critical of about terrorist mckenna in another thread here .

"If a person believes they have just been to hyperspace for 500 years, even though it was only 10 minutes here on earth, who am I to say bullshit?"

You are you ..... and again we have "reality" and fantasy ....... or psychosis ? Are dreams reality or is reality a dream ? Wich is realer and has more substance and ....... proofs ? Back to the worst side of esoterics = just because i cant prove it doesnt mean its not true . = dumbfucks doubting everything exept their fantasys and being prepared to dismiss the whole of science . We have to deal with what we have defined as reality = something that has a cource / direction , makes sense , can be demonstrated and that fits with other things into a scheme that we call science . There is no tooth fairy or ghosts under the bed .

"It wasn't long ago that people tossed Nicola Tesla in the trash as being a crazy fool."

Again . Thats true ..... but stupid . Some of the things he said were doubted and proven to be true . Some were stupid and we should not go for one side or the other . The facts are facts and the rest are not proven . The poor old tesla game is one sided and something that disqualifys many people from any rational discussion . We are all not perfect ...... even me .

"We are no longer dominated by myth the way we once were and it's time to admit that there is an entirely different side to being human and that that side which we are just starting to probe scientifically is the 'real' us. "

YES ...... that comes back to intuition . How the fuck did cave men survive with no science ? Because they had another route / way to understanding = intuition . When we started to settle down and the end of nomad life we developed writeing and science and we lost a lot of our contact to intuition . To go forwards as a race we need to get back to both and find a balance / harmony of the two . That is where "entheogens" could play a BIG role .




I watched this thread after i posted , i saw you come online and that you were reading this thread . I was wondering what your reaction would be ......... = you posted the best post that you have made on this forum so far ....... I`m looking forwards more from you like it  ...... and it certainly wasnt a rant .



To all . As usual please comment and object or what ever you all want....... the hunting season is open ........ lets see what comes out ......... ( <----- who comes out of their closet and starts shooting duds at me ...... again ? <--------- = themselves in the foot ...... again ........ LOL )

OK . We agree .

"It's so depressing sometimes, I feel so useless and that nothing matters because nothing can be real.."

I understand that and your reaction to it . I have been there too and now i very rarely try to go very deep into my mind and just use trips for relaxation and sex . You have seen some of the things that looking inwards can lead to and change a person why not just keep the statement above in your mind and think its just a natural conclusion but not the end of the chain of thoughts . I stumbled on it over and over again untill i realised what the answer is . If you look for it i am sure you will find it and its a VERY big present and a joy that last a life time . I could tell you it but one needs to find it oineself or wont work . If you do you will find the answer to this ----> "I WANT to hold the idea that death is the  ultimate "breakthrough" that will allow me to permanently and not just temporarily go into "that" place."

Thanks for your post . But see how rare it is that people look into thremselves and search for the answers to the mysterys of life . There are very few of us and most people who take drugs are realy abuseing the drugs and themselves .

Finally had a change to try DMT. Very interesting compound to say the least. At the end of the day it's still a chemical and I've had powerful chemical experiences before. Dmt, however, was a bit stronger than the normal high powered hallucinogen. I only took two good tokes of freebase and I was pretty fucked up. Very hard to describe. I'm not done with this chemical just yet.