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Vesp Ni/H Cold Fusion Team?
« on: July 13, 2011, 05:08:16 PM »
Incase you haven't been keeping up, Rossi is rumored to meet with NASA tomorrow, various govt/military branches are all doing simultaneous research, hottest thing since sliced bread or the biggest scam in history.

Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer

Construction/operation hints:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_A._Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Generator:Rossi%27s_Hints

Simple replication:
http://energycatalyzer.blogspot.com/2011/06/possible-replication-of-excess-heat.html

Rossi's journal:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=96



Compared to the risks we take and shit we pull off all the time I think the vesp crew is the perfect group to replicate one of these... Logistically its pretty easy, explaining it is another story... Rossi dropped some hints recently that the nickel particles are not nanometers wide but more like micrometers... Also the surface is treated to form wartlike structures... anyone heard of something like this in past literature?  Apparently his nickel treatment process to produce this special nickel only adds 10% to the cost...

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Re: Vesp Ni/H Cold Fusion Team?
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2011, 07:03:19 PM »
Possible that hes just using activated Randys Nickle. Considering that he would want large surface area I would expect him to use Randy Nickle anyway.

Uhm.. you mean Raney nickel - Enkidu
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Re: Vesp Ni/H Cold Fusion Team?
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2011, 01:21:23 AM »
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Rossi is rumored to meet with NASA tomorrow,

I question if it is really meeting with NASA...
Where did you hear/read this?
Is it on the news or something?
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Re: Vesp Ni/H Cold Fusion Team?
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2011, 02:23:31 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer#Attempts_at_theoretical_explanation

Bose-Einstein condensation at atmospheric temperatures? My knowledge of BEC says this is even less likely than cold fusion. Furthermore, cold fusion has never been observed in any Bose-Einstein condensate.

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Re: Vesp Ni/H Cold Fusion Team?
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2011, 03:48:59 AM »
these are some new interviews:
http://ecatreport.com/rossi/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-12
http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22

Nasa plans for tom. are on part 2

some people speculate that rayney nickel catalyst has pore sizes that allow it to utilize the casmir effect...

A lot of work has been done in the past on using a metal lattice and hydrogen/deuterium... Most were hard to replicate and the media fucked off.  Japan pursues its pretty well... check out "Fleischmann and Pon" and "Arata"

atara: rossi says himself that the bose-einstein condensation explanation is an interesting theory but not what happens in his case.

Looking into Rossi's past, apparently he was busted for importing gold from Italy to Switerzerland... I know who else does this kind of thing, Joe Champion who claims to have developed a solid method for gold transmutation.. This involves "Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements", which is almost as interesting as cold fusion.. If Rossi's "nickel modification" involves converting some metal into this hard to detect mono-atomic form then things are gona get quite interesting..  also lookup David Hudson, probably garbage but he did mention that the real secret is in turning ORMEs into normal materials, which also releases Gamma like the e-cat on startup...

Its hard to think about these things with a conventional mind set, many facets seem counterintuitive..
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Re: Vesp Ni/H Cold Fusion Team?
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2011, 04:19:29 AM »
"Its hard to think about these things with a conventional mind set, many facets seem counterintuitive.."

 absolutely.....
        but if you look back no many 'pivotal points of science's history',, you'll see that its peppered with sceptisism, and disbelief--there have Always been "naysayers" who will sometime be right, and sometimes, be wrong,,not just "mistaken",,but "Wrong" and then there's those who "might Be Right for a while",, until, a "Better Version, of The Same Principle, comes along"--Electronics being the most Obvious and recent example of such things

  How many "breakthroughs/" in science HAVE occurred, due to people "thinking outside the box", shit, even 'thinking outside Virtual Unlimited boxes!'

A:   HEAPS

 I am 'Only an observer' at this stage,,,theres much more to be seen yet...I have No Judgements

 and I think its 'the only, fair and reasonable Pov to have',,coz,, I certainly am Not in a position to Argue with the "Conceptual Science"........and Somebody Should "have a go" at conventional thinking,,,why not, particularly if it seems to be "going somewhere" in the right direction.

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Re: Vesp Ni/H Cold Fusion Team?
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2011, 06:22:55 AM »
I at first thought, TOTAL BS...


But then it came to my attention that chemist where noticing radiant reactions with Nickle that could not be explained all the way to the 1800. They never explained the heatup taking place.

I still dont want to step over the fence on this just yet but can someone with Raney nickle to heat compresses H2 rNi in a small vessle with a steady temp and see if the temperature rises as the H2 is pumped in.


My hypothesis is.....wait for it.....

 What you may be seeing is an effect of dissolution. We know that as ions dissasociate in solution the give off heat. In this case its H2 forming its ions as its dissolved literally into the metallic solvent.
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Re: Vesp Ni/H Cold Fusion Team?
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2011, 09:11:20 AM »

My hypothesis is.....wait for it.....

 What you may be seeing is an effect of dissolution. We know that as ions dissasociate in solution the give off heat. In this case its H2 forming its ions as its dissolved literally into the metallic solvent.

I think this is actually how rossi interprets part of the process going on in his device.. he mentions that the most important part of his invention is how to treat the nickel so it will produces nascent hydrogen in the system.  This is by combining it with 2 mystery substances and creating a certain particle size/surface morphology, and then of course the pressure and heat.

Langmuir, a noble prize winner did a lot of work with this atomic hydrogen, spawning atomic hydrogen welding.  There have been so many anomalies discovered with hydrogen involved.  Plasma electrolysis is known to produce an overunity amount of energy as heat... the crazy thing is that when they can get this effect sustained the pd/pt electrodes end up covered with many different elements in crazy patterns which signify incredibly high energies in a tiny area.

Im not surprised someone harnessed these effects, both these fields have been active for longer then most people realize, but the constant anomalies have thrown the scientific community through a loop.  To have such a high power output is not unheard of with simple metal lattice hydrogen/deterium reactions in literature, but this guy has been able to sustain it and control it like no one else.

If this turns out to be what it appears its going to be one hell of a 2012, heating and power generation fossil fuels will be threatened and I have a feeling the precious metals market is gona get interesting.  If in the govts research they find its easy to weaponize the situation will get real sticky, a world saving technology outlawed in the name of security with all the oil companies lobbying to put anyone caught with a h2 tank in Guantanamo. 

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Re: Vesp Ni/H Cold Fusion Team?
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2011, 01:41:35 PM »
Sedit, what you are describing is oxidative addition of H2 forming a dihydride metal species.  The reaction can be exothermic or endothermic, depending on the oxidation state of the metal along with many other properties.  Also, dissolving in general is not always an exothermic process.
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Re: Vesp Ni/H Cold Fusion Team?
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2011, 04:37:07 PM »
But in the end its the only functional way I can see this thing generating excess heat as I do not believe it to be a nuclear reaction if any at all is taking place.
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Re: Vesp Ni/H Cold Fusion Team?
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2011, 09:50:06 PM »
Sorry if this is stupid , didnt read the whole thread as my eyes are fucked up today ,  but if there was any nuclear reaction going on wouldnt the radiation be detectable and by that prove it ?

Whatever its a very interesting subject even if its only because whats happening isnt totaly understood .

Another thing ....... i had read that nasa and the defence department had took several looks at it several years ago . There was a thread on psycho-nutz about it at the time .
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Re: Vesp Ni/H Cold Fusion Team?
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2011, 11:22:39 PM »
There should be a good amount of gamma radiation leaking from the machine since he only has a two cm lead wrap to protect it that should not be nearly enough which is one of the reasons I doubt nuclear if any reaction is taking place.
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