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Would an Open Source "Anonymous/Security" Forum Software be useful or wanted?
« on: September 09, 2011, 08:01:56 AM »
So slowly... this idea keeps popping into my mind, with more frequency over time. I don't know why, but I "feel" the idea isn't any good, but I seem to still think about it every now and than and so I want some criticism on it.


I'm curious about the idea of creating a project, which would be to make an Open Source, or something similar to open source forum that has a strong emphasis on security, simplicity, and not storing possibly sensitive data.

This forum would be designed for anonymity, security and that sort of stuff. Used to talk about taboo subjects, or some dissenting individual stuff...

 It would have features such as
1. No need for email address to create account
2. PM scrubbing (all read PMs get deleted, or only encrypted PMs remain, etc...)
3. IP scrubbing; or more ideally never store the IP address
4. Not allow for ANY images to be embeded (prevent capturing IP addresses)
5. No time stamps on posts, logins, PMs, etc
6. Automatically remove Exif Data from images, files, etc..
7.No referral information
8. Super small CSS, very light weight files, graphics, etc.. for Tor, etc
9. Allow for backing up of both attachments and HTML equivalent of the forum (Automatically zip files, and provide download link -- every so often, I.e one download per day, new member each day, or something to ensure info does not get lost, even if the forum does..)
--- Possibly even allow for partial database backup, (everything except certain things; PMs, etc)
10. Other stuff... or less stuff. Maybe certain username things, not display or show members post, or number of posts, etc etc....


Would this be a worth while idea, or just stupid? I know the "need" for this isn't real; as members of sites dealing with sensitive issues could just use Tor, not post certain info, disable scripts, etc... but considering people often don't do that... I think it could be useful. Maybe to this site, maybe to others as well...

I don't know. I don't think it would be hard to make if one could legally take say SMF forum software, or phpBB software and modify it accordingly.

 

Probably wouldn't be able to moderate it very easily; but oh guess what? its not easy to moderate any sort of forum.
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Re: Would an Open Source "Anonymous/Security" Forum Software be useful or wanted?
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2011, 07:14:56 PM »
I actually like the idea. I know I've been the one before to not sweat it, but that has changed. All those features sounded great to me.
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Re: Would an Open Source "Anonymous/Security" Forum Software be useful or wanted?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2011, 07:40:55 PM »
Half of this stuff is already in e.g. Wakaba. This is the style of message board software used for 4chan. The extra features you want wouldn't be too hard to add. But like 4chan, if you get rid of registration and user tracking, expect it to be a pretty anarchic place. You wouldn't be able to maintain the same sort of atmosphere you have here.

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Re: Would an Open Source "Anonymous/Security" Forum Software be useful or wanted?
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2011, 10:50:06 PM »
Yeah, I was thinking it would be easier to take SMF and than just have it modified accordingly? such as get rid of the certain tables, not keep certain information, etc.


I realise it would be a lot harder to control - but really, if someone "Wants" to post stuff on a forum, blocking their IP address isn't going to come close at all to stopping them. It is pretty easy to spoof everything.

It seems what works the best is to get an environment where people are friends with one another, and use "social" pressure to make posts and content how they should be... at least it work to some extent.

Additionally, it would still be administrated and moderated; so posts could be deleted, etc.




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Re: Would an Open Source "Anonymous/Security" Forum Software be useful or wanted?
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2011, 12:20:00 AM »
You may want to look at:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Beehive_Forum
http://sourceforge.net/projects/beehiveforum/
http://beehiveforum.net/

its good for a locked up setup.

Additional ideas,

Server layout:
Run from an encrypted server (aes-xts-plain64/benbi [x86/x64] with whirlpool or SHA512 for hash function, keysize 512

/boot partition on USB key kept with server owner to prevent boot partition keylogger attacks

/dev/random keyfile at boot (from GPG card) to open root partition via cryptsetup/luks

mount internal partition containing forum software in chroot jail or virtual machine

USB loading PGP/GPG cards are available online to store keyfiles and require password to unlock.  20-50 USD per card IIRC

So to boot the machine you need a credit card sized keycard and a memorised password. Never write down password. Never give it out.

Forum:
Force only acceptance of tor, block at iptables (kernel firewall) level for forum access

Redirect page to "recommend using vidalia bundle" to non tor users.

Force https with redirect to "recommending page"

You can even use an .onion address,  "secretwebsite.onion"

Backup solution:
Don't forget to encrypt secure backup DVDs using a /dev/random filled keyfile and AES-XTS-Plain64/Benbi and spread them around to trusted forums moderators.

You could even post them online others ways (avoid bittorrent not anonymous)

Only the person with that keyfile can unlock the backups but it can prevent downtime and prevent the whole hive/rhodium archives problem.

Make a copy of the keyfile from the site owner and split that copy of the keyfile into 3,5, or 7 pieces and give one piece to each senior moderator.

They can rebuild or even make a clone using the latest backup if they are all in agreement and join their pieces together to unlock the latest backup.

It is similar to the "Assange insurance file" and has been used many times before in major corporations for important backups.

Ask yourself this:

What happens if your Chief Admin/Site Owner gets killed by a bus and (later) the power cuts out to the server, how would you decrypt it if only he has the key?

The answer is to copy the key and split it into parts to give each senior moderator. If there are three parts A B and C and three moderators, you give each of them two parts: AC BC AB so that only 2/3 of moderators are needed to decrypt the backup to rebuild.

Google is littered with working "howto" documents on how to do exactly the setup I have just mentioned.

Don't forget the tinfoil hat to go along with the server hardening :)

How come nobody every wears a tinfoil three piece suit to go with their tinfoil hat?

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Re: Would an Open Source "Anonymous/Security" Forum Software be useful or wanted?
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2011, 10:10:31 AM »
What a peculiar name. :P

The site http://www.beehiveforum.net/ is down right now.

Interesting forum - but does it still log IP addresses, etc?
It would probably be the best one to start building from...though, I am reading it is also a complete CMS - so its bulkiness might be bad. http://www.forum-software.org/beehive-forum/review vs http://www.forum-software.org/simple-machines-2/review

I am not too concerned about the server admins end (server hardening, etc) - I was just thinking of trying to make a forum that is some what "resistant to stupid users" -- prevent them from saving incriminating messages, IP logs, time stamps, getting IP logged via embeded images, etc etc... -- than it would be the admins job to do the rest such as forcing Tor, server security, encryption, etc to the extent he thought was needed for the given community/to the extent of his abilities.



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Aluminium suites are way noisy.
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Would an Open Source "Anonymous/Security" Tor SERVER be useful?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2011, 01:21:57 AM »
So how about instead of a forum, we make it a server?

I figure it couldn't be that hard to get a well designed BSD server modified to have all of the needed things for security and anonymity  on it by default for use with Tor, or something else.

I am no where near well read up on this stuff, but I know some of you are and could probably do something pretty awesome with this idea. Some probably already have... it is not that hard to make a .ISO image available and keep everything open source, etc. AFAIK

I remember akcom was saying something in relation to silkroad about how the guy should have had the server jailed, with access to virtual IP interface, along with running the exit node in a virtual machine, and so on.. I'm sure he can along with others think of a ton of ways to improve it for people.

Do you think this would be useful for people? They could just pop in the disc, install it on a server and after setting up some login info and what not they would be good to go and able to run whatever website they wanted.  Preferably drug sales, forums like this, and all that jazz. :)

This would obviously have the goal of protecting the server admin and not the users - but if they are using tor or probably preferably TAILS 0.8.1 or better... they ought to be smart enough to keep it safe  and not giving away any revealing info.

I'd love to hear input on the server idea!

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Re: Would an Open Source "Anonymous/Security" Forum Software be useful or wanted?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2011, 09:35:33 AM »
Server: Apache/HTTPS/PHP/SMF

HOST: IP address: 67.20.102.209 = Host name: www.thevespiary.org with installed HTTPS proxy PHP script that redirect to server via HTTPS.

Members access via TOR, or none.

<==[https with cert 1]==> means encrypted HTTPS with certificate 1.

<==[https with cert 2]==> means encrypted HTTPS with certificate 2.


Network Topography.

Server <==[https cert 1]==> HOST <==[https cert 2]==> Members.

(1) All SMF IP logging for members will be one IP address: 67.20.102.209 = Host name: www.thevespiary.org

(2) No member will know the REAL IP of the Server.
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Re: Would an Open Source "Anonymous/Security" Forum Software be useful or wanted?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2011, 10:04:36 AM »
Yeah, I am not too concerned about this site.. I was more so thinking along the lines of lowering the barrier to entry for other people to make other websites like silkroad. :)
In making an Open source and easy to install secure/anonymous forum... they would be able to easily do something like that :)
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2011, 05:23:02 AM »
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Re: Would an Open Source "Anonymous/Security" Forum Software be useful or wanted?
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2011, 11:44:02 PM »
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Probably wouldn't be able to moderate it very easily; but oh guess what? its not easy to moderate any sort of forum.
LOL seriously! out loud!

 I personally feel no threat, although, different places have differing levels of concern, so its up to the individual

 IMO if you wish to maintain the "integrity" of this forum, allowing idiots to post their sycophantic hearts out, is probably not such a good idea...there is no need to 'involve' vendors here :-\ thats just my Opinion.....

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Re: Would an Open Source "Anonymous/Security" Forum Software be useful or wanted?
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2011, 11:59:53 PM »
My idea has switched from it being a forum to it being a Tor Server...
and it isn't for this site.
It is for others like Silkroad./

I would like to make it available for everyone on the net to easily run their own very secure/anonymous Tor server. The more Silkroads that exist the better off we will all be - especially if they are all designed properly on good servers operating *BSD and that sort of stuff.

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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2012, 08:00:00 AM »
some type of toolkit that could be installed that would enable hardened silk rode esq sites to be set up on the fly, or maybe have two the main network with links and a an easy way for people to post auctions of goods and services anonymously.  I love the idea of lowering the barrier of entry and trying to bring more people in safely. 

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Re: Would an Open Source "Anonymous/Security" Forum Software be useful or wanted?
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2012, 08:29:53 PM »
Yeah what I would like to see happen is first get Bitwasp created and a community around it, and then also help with the Tor Router development and I2P eepsites awareness and development/other hidden services.

A tor server isn't needed if you can just get a nice easy to use/setup Tor Router to plug the server into - nice and safe also since the comp would not connect to any other internet revealing IP, etc...

Lower barrier of entry => Plans by the many => Many different marketplace/tor experiments and projects to find what works the best + related communities learning from one another's experiences. :)
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