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Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« on: September 17, 2011, 11:28:55 PM »
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Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceae species from a psychoactive strain of Argeria Nervosa var Nervosa collected wild from Hawaii using the parasitic Convolvulaceae plant Cuscuta campstris as the endophyte transferring vector.


1. It is well known that various Ipomoea species, such as Ipomoea tricolor, I. violacea and others   in addition to other Convolvulaceae plants such as Turbina corymbosa and Argeria Nervosa contain endophyte fungi that product lysergamides in the seeds, leaf, and stem. However, not all of each species of each genus listed contain this fungi, nor does every genus in the Convolvalacea family contain a fungi that produces lysergamides.

2. Cuscuta campstris and other dodders have been used and recorded to not only be in the Convolvalacea  family, but also to infect other plants with organisms from other plants they are simultaneously parasitisizing.


3. It should be relatively easy to grow a non-infected Convolvalacea with an infected Convolvalacea plant, along side Cuscuta campstris to make the non-infected plant a newly infected plant that also produces lysergic acids in its seeds, leaf, and stem.

Since the world sucks, it isn't present in roots and so there goes the idea of a really revolutionary Sweet Potato Farm (Ipomoea batatas) (boo :( )



--> It might be able to infect plants in the same order, not just the same family -- this could possibly lead to psychoactive (LSA styled) Tomato, Tobacco ,EggPlant, and Datura plants, but I find this really pushing it.

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Order:    Solanales
Family:    Convolvulaceae (Morning Glory, etc)

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Order:    Solanales
Family:    Solanacea (Tomato, Potato, Tobacco, Pepper, Eggplant, Datura, etc)

 It is reasonable to me, to assume that ALL genuses within the Convolvulaceae family can support this fungi, and allow it to produce lysergamides -  They have have yet to be infected by it.

Here is an incomplete and perhaps false list of the genus's present in the Convolvulaceae family.



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Tribe Aniseieae

    * Aniseia Choisy
    * Iseia O'Donell
    * Odonellia K.R.Robertson
    * Tetralocularia O'Donell[3]

Tribe Cardiochlamyeae

    * Cardiochlamys Oliv.
    * Cordisepalum Verdc.
    * Dinetus Buch.-Ham. ex Sweet
    * Poranopsis Roberty
    * Tridynamia Gagnep.[4]

Tribe Convolvuleae

    * Calystegia R.Br. - Bindweed, Morning glory
    * Convolvulus L. - Bindweed, Morning glory
    * Polymeria R.Br.[5]

Tribe Cresseae

    * Bonamia Thouars
    * Cladostigma Radlk.
    * Cressa L.
    * Evolvulus L.
    * Hildebrandtia Vatke
    * Itzaea Standl. & Steyerm.
    * Neuropeltis Wall.
    * Neuropeltopsis Ooststr.
    * Sabaudiella Chiov.
    * Seddera Hochst.
    * Stylisma Raf.
    * Wilsonia R.Br.[6]

   

Tribe Cuscuteae

    * Cuscuta L. - Dodder[7]

Tribe Dichondreae

    * Calycobolus Willd. ex Schult.
    * Dichondra J.R.Forst. & G.Forst.
    * Dipteropeltis Hallier f.
    * Falkia Thunb.
    * Metaporana N.E.Br.
    * Nephrophyllum A.Rich.
    * Porana Burm.f.
    * Rapona Baill.[8]

Tribe Erycibeae

    * Ericybe Roxb.[9]

Tribe Humbertieae

    * Humbertia [10]

Tribe Ipomoeeae

    * Argyreia Lour. - Hawaiian baby woodrose
    * Astripomoea A.Meeuse
    * Blinkworthia Choisy
    * Ipomoea L. - Morning glory, Sweet potato
    * Lepistemon Blume
    * Lepistemonopsis Dammer
    * Paralepistemon Lejoly & Lisowski
    * Rivea Choisy - Coaxihuitl
    * Stictocardia Hallier f.
    * Turbina Raf.[11]

   

Tribe Jacquemontieae

    * Jacquemontia Choisy[12]

Tribe Maripeae

    * Dicranostyles Benth.
    * Lysiostyles Benth.
    * Maripa Aubl.[13]

Tribe Merremieae

    * Decalobanthus Ooststr.
    * Hewittia Wight & Arn.
    * Hyalocystis Hallier f.
    * Merremia Dennst. ex Endl. - Hawaiian woodrose
    * Operculina Silva Manso
    * Xenostegia D.F.Austin & Staples[14]

Not placed in tribe

    * Pentacrostigma K.Afzel.



Articles:
1. http://www.thelaboratory.org/talk/proposed-experiments/transferring-a-lyseramide-producing-endophyte-to-different-convolvulaceae
2. http://www.springerlink.com/content/kby3dh4vedhcn14l/
3. http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/147/1/296.full
4. http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/73/8/2571
5. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17133714
6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoplasma -- "Phytoplasmas can also be spread via dodders cascutaceae[13] or vegetative propagation such as the grafting of a piece of infected plant onto a healthy plant."

7. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1439-0434.1991.tb00132.x/abstract
8. http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publications.htm?seq_no_115=74439
9. http://www.crcnetbase.com/doi/abs/10.1201/9781420069327.ch22
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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2011, 11:33:41 PM »
From a perspective of plants that produce the largest mass of seeds per year, lives in the most locations, grow the easiest, and other stuff... what do you think the best plant to infect would be for a test?

I am thinking something like Convolvulus arvensis L.
field bindweed as it grows everywhere, is super hard to control, produces a decent amount of seeds, etc...


Edit: Also if you are wondering what the point of it all would be; to create thousands or tens of thousands of new psychoactive plants that contain LSA and live all over the world. Not too sure what that would help for our team, but probably something or someone would benefit from it. :)

> Also I suspect that this fungi might not be able to live in places that freeze - but I have yet to find any evidence on it... so I may just be pessimistic (or it seems like all morning glory I've grown over the years haven't been psychoactive; the I. purpurea - either because that strain/branch of plant wasn't infected with the fungi; or it couldn't handle/survive the harsh winters and it eventually died off and the plants did not. Seems like the fungi would be able to live if the plant were able too...




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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2011, 12:56:41 AM »
Maybe it only effects the Ipomoeeae tribe - I kind of doubt it, but even if that is it; it still allows for tons of other plants to be inoculated with this fun guy (ha)
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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2011, 12:30:25 AM »
The fungal agent responsible for lysergamide production in Ipomoea is extremely specific in its requirements, and has proved impossible to my knowledge (although I have read much more on ergot than Convolvulaceous endophytes) to culture, even on a medium containing homogenates of plant material. It has furthermore, been shown not to infect a plant that has first been sterilized with a fungicide which has, on observation of the treated, endophyte-free plant and cultured clones thereof, been shown no longer to harbour either the alkaloids, or the fungus, when the fungus-bearing surfaces of the leaves of an untreated, alkaloid producing, infected morning glory of the same species is grown in a humid, fungus-favourable environment in intimate contact with the uninfected plant.

I believe, that plant cultures grown from infected tissue have shown mycelium production in culture within, but alkaloid production only on regeneration of a plant from the callus, not in undifferentiated cell lines. This suggests to me that the fungus is actually dependent not only on being hosted by Ipomoea (and Rivea (Turbinia) corymbosa, same fungus present, different alkaloid profile), but upon actual growth of differentiated cells. It appears also thusly, that the plant modifies expression of the alkaloid profile, and presumably likewise gene expression)

Simple transfer is likely not to be easy, and I believe culturing it, if even possible, MUST depend on some form of growth factor present in the plant (Ipomoea asarifolia)

See Planta, 2006, 224, P 5333

Very interesting. From 2006 so knowledge may now be more advanced. Haven't yet read up much though. I doubt very much you will have luck transferring it to bindweed, but one can often learn as much from what didn't happen, as what did. The dodder idea is interesting, especially if otherwise, asexual conidia are introduced to a plant thusly.

Anyone know anything about plant immune systems? I wonder what the results of treating a plant, kept otherwise sterile, with some sort of immunotoxin then with such a fungus, or an already colonised, infected plant would be, especially in the latter, to attempt overexpression of the fungus.
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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2011, 09:47:12 AM »
Why is it you doubt it will be hard to transfer to bindweed (or other plants) by way of dodder? I.e what makes you assume it cant/wont/isn't likely too?
Just because it is hard to grow on agar? It has been grown in cultures of the plant - but did not produce alkaloids, like you said.

Is there any information to suggest it wouldn't happen? something that leads anyone to believe IasaF13 (or whatever fungi you wanna call it - the magic one) won't transfer into the Dodder?

Clavicipitaceous Fungi Associated with Ergoline Alkaloid-Containing Convolvulaceae by Ahimsa-Müller et al. looks like a good read - but I think experimentation needs to be done before anything - as this is idea has essentially no research on it - well, the transferring part at least.


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Ergoline alkaloids are a group of physiologically active natural products occurring in taxonomically unrelated fungal and plant taxa Clavicipitaceae (Hypocreales) and Convolvulaceae (Solanales). We show in the present paper that clavicipitaceous fungi are associated with four different ergoline alkaloid-containing plant taxa of the family Convolvulaceae. These fungi are macroscopically visible on the adaxial surface when young leaf buds are opened or are detectable by molecular biological techniques in seeds. Detectability of the fungus correlates with the absence or presence of ergoline alkaloids within the respective plant organ.

The fungi contain the gene (dmaW) responsible for the committed step in ergoline alkaloid biosynthesis. Sequencing of ribosomal DNA (18S rDNA and internal transcribed spacer) as well as the dmaW gene (partial) and construction of phylogenetic trees show that the fungi are clavicipitaceous, not identical but very closely related.Ergoline alkaloids are also present in different genera of a dicotyledonous plant family, the Convolvulaceae.14 Certain representatives of this family are used in the uplands of southern Oaxaca in Mexico for divinatory and hallucinatory purposes.7, 14 The physiological potential of ergoline alkaloids is therefore of interest in medicine and agronomy as well as ecological and anthropological studies.It was one of the unresolved questions why these alkaloids occur in such diverse taxa as the fungal Clavicipitaceae and Eurotiaceae on one hand and in Convolvulaceae, a higher plant family, on the other. An explanation for this enigma has recently been given. There are strong indications that Ipomoea asarifolia Roem. et Schult plants (Convolvulaceae) are colonized by an ergoline alkaloid-producing clavicipitaceous fungus (provisionally named IasaF13) that is responsible for the accumulation of ergoline alkaloids within the plant.18, 28 Treatment of I. asarifolia with fungicides resulted in the elimination of a leaf-associated fungus and concomitant loss of alkaloids from the plant.18 This fungus is equipped with genetic material essential for the synthesis of ergoline alkaloids (Markert and Leistner, unpublished) and is seed-transmitted.28 The fungus is specialized for growth on I. asarifolia plants, as indicated by its inability to grow on different known synthetic media designed for fungal growth.18, 28...
We here demonstrate that highly similar fungi are also present on Convolvulaceae plants other than the white-blooming I. asarifolia species. Molecular biological analyses of the fungal isolates show that they are clavicipitaceous but not identical, albeit very closely related.he four plant taxa were investigated for the quantity of ergoline alkaloids by an optical test based on the Van Urk reaction.18 The seeds are the main site of accumulation of ergoline alkaloids (Table 1), an observation that is not unexpected.10 Although alkaloids were reported to be present in aerial parts of I. violacea,10, 22 alkaloids were detected only in seeds but not in shoots of I. violacea plants investigated in the present work. This will be discussed later...

Ergoline alkaloids occurring in Convolvulaceae plants were first isolated and identified by spectroscopic methods from seeds of R. corymbosa (L.) Hall.f. (i.e., T. corymbosa (L.) Raf.) and I. violacea L.14 We investigated the ergoline alkaloids present in shoots (both types of I. asarifolia and T. corymbosa) or seeds (I. violacea) because there are conflicting reports on the presence in Convolvulaceae of these natural products,1, 26 which were often identified by paper- or thin-layer chromatography alone.3, 8, 29 The alkaloids present in the red I. asarifolia plants had not been investigated previously. Identification was carried out by HPLC-MS and comparison with authentic material. The results are listed in Table 2. The spectrum of major alkaloids present in both types of I. asarifolia turned out to be qualitatively but not quantitatively identical. As opposed to previous publications we were unable to detect agroclavine and elymoclavine in I. violacea (Table 2).

Co-occurrence of Alkaloids and Fungus. It is our experience that ergoline alkaloids and the clavicipitaceous fungus IasaF13 always co-occur in the intact I. asarifolia (white-blooming) plant.18, 28 Indeed, visual inspection of young leaf buds that were opened by manipulation (Figure 2B) showed that the fungus was macroscopically visible as white mycelial layers on the adaxial leaf surfaces of both I. asarifolia plants and T. corymbosa but not on I. violacea (Figure 2B). The typical distribution of the fungal colonies on the leaf surface is shown in Figure 2C, after staining with Uvitex 2B (Figure 2D). Staining is directed toward the carbohydrate cell walls of the fungal hyphae but leaves the underlying plant cuticle unaffected; the mycelium forming the fungal colonies became very well visible (Figure 2D).

Since the I. violacea seeds do contain alkaloids (Table 1), a clavicipitaceous fungus should be present in the seeds, whereas the leaves of this plant should be devoid of both fungus and alkaloids. This is actually observed as documented in Figures 2B, C, and D and Tables 1 and 2.

Construction of Phylogenetic Trees. DNA was extracted from seeds of I. violacea, and the mycelia were collected from leaf buds of the three other plants shown in Figure 2 in order to characterize the fungi. The nuclear small subunit ribosomal DNA (18S rDNA), the internal transcribed spacers (ITS1 and ITS4), and the 4-(?,?-dimethylallyl)tryptophan synthase gene (dmaW, i.e., cpd1 or FgaPT2, compare Figure 1) were targeted for PCR amplification, and the products obtained were sequenced. The dmaW gene was chosen because it catalyzes the determinant step in ergoline alkaloid biosynthesis, introducing a dimethylallyl residue into the 4-position of tryptophan (Figure 1).9, 12, 13, 30, 31 Sequencing was carried out on both strands of three (dmaW gene) or at least five (18S rDNA, ITS) selected clones.

The 18S rDNA sequences of all four fungal DNA isolates turned out to be identical, indicating that the fungi are closely related and belong to the order Hypocreales, as shown previously28 for the fungus IasaF13 present on I. asarifolia (white blooming). The provisionally named fungal isolates and the accession numbers of their 18S rDNA sequences are as follows: I. asarifolia (white blooming), IasaF13-DQ119128; I. asarifolia (red blooming), IasaredF01-DQ641918; I. violacea, IviolF01-DQ641919; T. corymbosa, TcorF01-DQ127128.

In order to possibly obtain a better fine resolution for the closely related fungal taxa, we analyzed the ITS region. The amplified ITS sequences of the fungi associated with all four plant taxa were first compared by single-strand conformation polymorphism (SSCP). The amplified ITS DNA of the fungi IasaF13, IasaredF01, and TcorF01 were indistinguishable by the SSCP method, but all three showed a clear difference from those of IviolF01 (data not shown).

Subsequently the ITS DNA of the fungi on I. asarifolia (both types) and on T. corymbosa were sequenced and found to be identical, whereas the ITS sequence of the fungus from I. violacea exhibits 84.3% similarity to the sequences of the fungi on the other three plant taxa. The ITS sequences were deposited in GenBank: I. asarifolia (white blooming), IasaF13-AY937227; I. asarifolia (red blooming), IasaredF01-DQ641920; T. corymbosa, TcorF01-AY995219; I. violacea, IviolF01-DQ641921.

Construction of phylogenetic trees based on 18S rDNA and ITS sequences had previously shown that IasaF13 is a clavicipitaceous fungus.28 Since IasaredF01 and TcorF01 have sequences (18S rDNA and ITS) identical to those of IasaF13 (white blooming), it is concluded that they also belong to the family Clavicipitaceae. Integration of the ITS sequence of IviolF01 into a phylogenetic tree (Figure 3) demonstrates that this fungus is also clavicipitaceous and has a root in common with the fungi on the other three plant taxa...

The presence of alkaloids within the plant shoots can be predicted from the presence of mycelium on the adaxial leaf surface of leaf buds (Figure 2)...

These observations challenge the hypothesis that the occurrence of ergoline alkaloids in such diverse taxa as clavicipitaceous fungi and convolvulaceous plants may be explained by a horizontal gene transfer that occurred during evolution between these taxa or that the biosynthetic pathway leading to ergoline alkaloids was repeatedly “invented” during evolution. It seems more appropriate to attribute the occurrence of ergoline alkaloids in dicotyledonous plants to the presence of a plant-associated clavicipitaceous fungus...

The alkaloids present in the plants under investigation (Figure 1) can be divided into biosynthetic precursors (chanoclavine I, agroclavine, elymoclavine) and derivatives (lysergic acid-?-hydroxy ethyl amide including its isomer, lysergic acid amide including its isomer and ergonovine) of lysergic acid.10, 12, 13, 30 The derivatives of lysergic acid are detectable with our HPLC-MS system in each plant investigated. Agroclavine and elymoclavine, however, were only detected in T. corymbosa but must also be present in the other taxa because they are precursors of lysergic acid including their derivatives (Figure 1). We have to assume that these two precursors went undetected due to their scarcity in I. asarifolia (both types) and I. violacea (Table 2). The difference in the ergoline alkaloid composition of all four taxa investigated therefore must be primarily a quantitave rather than qualitative difference
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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2011, 12:07:14 AM »
This probably sounds ridiculous, but is there any chance that the dodder might carry along with the fungus enough of a chemical signal to allow the fungus to grow in a plant it otherwise wouldn't? Assuming the fungus' nutritional requirements whatever they are are satisfied by the tertiary host, might that make a difference?
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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2011, 09:49:30 AM »
No idea - not sure a chemical signal is needed - I was thinking it was mostly structure related/dependant - but that is just an assumption as well.

I figure if the plants have a hard time telling dodder from itself (or whatever) than the fungi shouldn't care to much either.

Anyways - anyone have a suggestion on what ipomeao tribe produces the most seeds (in grams) in the shortest amount of time?

I am acquiring dodder seeds soon(ish, I think?) and have fresh HBWR seeds collected from the wild/hawaii in the last month - so they should be kickin'

I just need to find a good candidate host plant. Or a few - shouldn't be too hard to infect multiple plants in one session - I will do it with I. purpurea as well I guess, as the ones around here do not seem to be active but are invasive as hell.


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Idea worth thinking about: If HATIs (Histone Actyl trasferase inhibors? spelling?) lead to an increase in ergot cultivation, and accumulation both in the wild and on agar/broth  - in addition to the genetic similarities to the lasaf13 to ergot - perhaps giving plants (morning glory, ehh) certain stress, or chemicals would increase potency
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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2011, 12:52:51 AM »
Very interesting ideas....best get experimenting and better get the Van Urk reagent out.

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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2011, 03:29:42 AM »
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Why is it you doubt it will be hard to transfer to bindweed (or other plants) by way of dodder? I.e what makes you assume it cant/wont/isn't likely too?
Just because it is hard to grow on agar? It has been grown in cultures of the plant - but did not produce alkaloids, like you said.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2011, 04:06:34 AM »
Huh! Grown on cultures of the plant eh?

I think you might be right about the HATi considering it didn't produce alkaloids in the plant culture! The plant immune system is what provides the HATi (alkylresorcinols wasn't it) after all. Do you suppose there's any way to pump a plant full of such a substance artificially? Dress up as James Madison and line the flower pot with green tea bags, or turmeric?

As I recall there is a trick for plumping up pumpkins, with a wick and sugar water... might that be of use?!


But the most important question is will it grow, to be determined by your gracious experimentation, and I thank you. These fungi do seem awfully specific, but, you never know. (I wonder if it is nutritional requirement, chemical signals or what? I know the answer is suggested in lit I haven't read yet.)
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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2011, 08:28:33 AM »
http://www.makeandtakes.com/food-coloring-flowers

Perhaps just replace the  food colouring with alkylresorcinols and precursor chemicals (amino acids, tryptamine, etc?) and the rose with the base of a well established morning glory plant. Not sure if  the roots would absorb the chemicals or not, but if it were near the end of the season you might be able to allow the plant to "die gracefully" by being cut from the roots and watered from the cutting.


Welp, I have everything I need for this project to commence, so let the project commencing begin, I suppose. :)

I will probably plant circles of the seeds; a ring of feild bindweed, a ring of HBWR, another ring of binweed, than HBWR -- than the center of the pot will have both HBWR and bindweed. After they all germinate and get their main leaves, I will than plant the dodder around the plants, also in a ring fashion.

I figure this is the best way to get everything close to one another and growing on one another to transfer the little fungus.

*the field bindweed might have some disadvantages for some things, as it contains pseudotropine, tropine, and other things related to those stupid chemicals, but it is probably fine.


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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2011, 02:07:10 AM »
All right here is the setup:
Pot of dirt, it is pretty deep, and maybe 12 inches wide.
It has a BUNCH of feild bindweed (Convolvulus arvensis) evenly distrubuted on the top surface.
It has ~20 (-/+ 2 seeds) of Argeria nervosa "var nervosa" wild from Hawaii - they are active.
Both seeds were soaked in water for 12 to 24 hours and the soil is very very moist.
a 100 watt incedensant lightbulb with a reflector is above it, keeping them warm.
There is a light with a timer on it to aid in proper growth and germination.
Once all the seeds germinate and become well established, I will soak some Cuscuta campstris seeds in water for a day, and than evenly distribute them under the foliage of the other plants - especially near the HBWR.

Fun Facts about Convolvulus arvensis:
1. A single acre of the plant can produce 3/4 ton of seed in one year - that is about 22 million seeds or 1500 pounds. (680 KG)
2. It grows everywhere in the United States and other places.
3. The seeds can last 50 years in the soil (The fungus, if it takes, probably cannot)
4. Its diseases and issues include certain mites, Some mites cause the formation of galls. => Aceria malherbae (think they can handle LSA in the plants??)
5. It spreads by seed, and roots that get dug up and moved.
6. The roots will send up new shoots; making it very hard to eradicate.
7. It is a perennial in certain places; meaning it lasts more than two years as a single growing plant.
8. It can be a noxious weed, as can many other morning glory species.

*** If one could harvest all the seeds of one acre, and they contain as much LSA as HBWR, that would make for a theoretical absolute max of ~2000 grams of LSA styled alkaloids.

But more importantly; it would allow anyone to grow a good amount of seeds for various uses. No need for the $400/kg HBWR stuff. (or $22/kg morning glory)
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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2011, 10:56:42 AM »
When I read all this, the idea of grafting the two plants came to my mind. One could try to graft a stem of Ipomoea arvensis onto an active plant of argyreia nervosa, I bet that would transfer the fungus to the inactive species. As a next step, one would have to make cuttings from the Ipomoea arvensis part and reproduce them. When they produce seeds, I think the fungus should also be in there. I don´t know if it will work or not, but I can try that in some weeks, when my argyreia nervosa has gotten bigger.

I also imagine it quite difficult to graft the two of these because of mechanical reasons, the stem of Ipomoea arvensis is very thin and thus probably quite sensitive.

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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2011, 04:49:38 PM »
This may be of use.

Clavicipitaceous Fungi Associated with Ergoline Alkaloid-Containing Convolvulaceae

J. Nat. Prod. 2007, 70, 1955–1960


Ergoline alkaloids are a group of physiologically active natural products occurring in taxonomically unrelated fungal and plant taxa Clavicipitaceae (Hypocreales) and Convolvulaceae (Solanales). We show in the present paper that clavicipitaceous fungi are associated with four different ergoline alkaloid-containing plant taxa of the family Convolvulaceae. These fungi are macroscopically visible on the adaxial surface when young leaf buds are opened or are detectable by molecular biological techniques in seeds. Detectability of the fungus correlates with the absence or presence of ergoline alkaloids within the respective plant organ. The fungi contain the gene (dmaW) responsible for the committed step in ergoline alkaloid biosynthesis. Sequencing of ribosomal DNA (18S rDNA and internal transcribed spacer) as well as the dmaW gene (partial) and construction of phylogenetic trees show that the fungi are clavicipitaceous, not identical but very closely related.
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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2011, 09:41:28 PM »
When I read all this, the idea of grafting the two plants came to my mind. One could try to graft a stem of Ipomoea arvensis onto an active plant of argyreia nervosa, I bet that would transfer the fungus to the inactive species. As a next step, one would have to make cuttings from the Ipomoea arvensis part and reproduce them. When they produce seeds, I think the fungus should also be in there. I don´t know if it will work or not, but I can try that in some weeks, when my argyreia nervosa has gotten bigger.

I also imagine it quite difficult to graft the two of these because of mechanical reasons, the stem of Ipomoea arvensis is very thin and thus probably quite sensitive.

Yes please try it. possibly you could get the vine to grow around the HBWR and than carefully cut or scratch the area the stems are tightly in contact with one another - hopefully leading to them grafting together.
Are you sure it is active and infected with the fungi? Many HWBR strains are not.... :/
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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2011, 09:42:39 PM »
@Salat, thanks for the paper. I've read it before and it is indeed useful for this and is part of my inspiration in trying this project. :)
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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2011, 05:48:13 PM »
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Yes please try it. possibly you could get the vine to grow around the HBWR and than carefully cut or scratch the area the stems are tightly in contact with one another - hopefully leading to them grafting together.

That´s a nice idea, I think I´ll try it that way.

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Are you sure it is active and infected with the fungi? Many HWBR strains are not.... :/

I haven´t tried them, but they were sold for consumption purposes, so I assume they are active.

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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2011, 06:16:52 PM »
I'm organizing my chemistry files this morning and came across this one, I've searched on the keyword and don't find it here - from my quick reading of it sounds like it has a method for producing ergoline alkaloids.  Sounded pretty involved though

Ergoline alkaloids in convolvulaceous host plants originate from epibiotic clavicipitaceous fungi of the genus Periglandula
Fungal ecology xxx ( 2 0 1 1 ) 1-6

Fungus-host plant specificity

It was also desirable to investigate the host plant specificity of
the fungi P. ipomoeae and P. turbinae. Experiments employing
different hosts would be desirable but are not yet possible
since the fungi P. ipomoeae and P. turbinae are currently not
culturable and even fail to grow after reinoculation of fungicide-
treated host plants (Steiner et al. 2006, 2008).

An inoculation experiment with Penicillium roquefortii
seemed to be promising, however, because this fungus is an in
vitro producer of isofumigaclavine A, an ergoline alkaloid.
Moreover, the fungus had been isolated from an I. asarifolia
plant using a method employed to detect endophytes and thus
lives asymptomatically within this plant. The P. roquefortii
fungus indeed colonized the plant which, however, remained
devoid of any alkaloids (Steiner et al. 2008).

When removed from the leaf by a fungicide and reapplied to
the leaf surface P. ipomoeae and P. turbinae do not resume
growth. We found by chance, however, an in vitro method to
establish a plant-fungus association.  Plant callus and cell
suspension cultures of I. asarifolia were easily established in
different media. It was soon realized that these cultures also
contained fungal cells, which seemed to have escaped the
sterilisation process during establishment of the cell culture.

The P. ipomoeae was identified by microscopic techniques, by
SSCP and by sequencing of the ITS region. This showed beyond
doubt that the fungus lived within the plant cell cultures. The
fungus was not detectable by the naked eye and the callus
culture appeared normal and grew asymptomatically.  Despite
the fact that the clavicipitaceous fungus was present, neither
the callus nor the cell suspension cultures contained any
detectable ergoline alkaloids (Hussein 2004).

Apparently, the morphological differentiation of the host plant is a prerequisite
for the production of ergoline alkaloids.
After changing the
hormonal regime of the callus culture, a differentiated shoot
developed, and after again changing the medium a root system
appeared. Mycelium of P. ipomoeae covered the young plantlet
and it contained ergoline alkaloids.

 This experiment (Steiner et al. 2006, 2008) indicates that:
(i) the plant integrates the P. ipomoeae-fungus into its own developmental program; and
 (ii) a morphologically differentiated plant is essential for alkaloid synthesis.

Since the fungus is usually associated with secretory
glands, these structures may possibly play a crucial role in
the interaction and the metabolic dialogue between both

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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2011, 08:31:17 PM »
Awesome, thank you so much for sharing that article!
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Re: Transferring a Lysergamide Producing Endophyte To Different Convolvulaceaes
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2011, 04:15:11 AM »
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As pointed out above, fungal
hyphae are in close contact with the oil secretory glands and
occur above and underneath the cuticle covering the oil
containing cavity of the secretory glands

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The seeds of our ergoline alkaloid containing convolvulaceous
plants carry a clavicipitaceous fungus destined for seed
transmission. When seeds germinate the fungus appears on
the adaxial leaf surface and alkaloids occur within these
leaves. It is not known, however, how the fungus spreads from
the seed to shoots and leaves. The fungi are epibionts that
never seem to penetrate the plant epidermis. With a grafting
experiment (Hellwig 2007) we hoped to shed light on this
unresolved question. I. asarifolia and T. corymbosa plants were
raised from cuttings within three months. One set of plants
was generated from fungicide-treated plants whereas another
set was from untreated plants, and consequently carried
clavicipitaceous fungi and ergoline alkaloids. A shoot with
fungus and alkaloids was grafted into the shoot system of
a plant devoid of fungus and alkaloids. In the corresponding
experiment a shoot from a plant devoid of fungus and alka-
loids was grafted into a shoot system carrying both fungi and
alkaloids.
After the grafting process the plants were kept in the
greenhouse for 18 weeks. Chemical and microscopic analyses
of the shoot systems of both sets of plants revealed that those
shoots containing alkaloids and covered with fungus before
the grafting experiment also had these at the end of the
grafting experiments. Shoots devoid of fungus and alkaloids
before the experiment were also devoid of fungus and alka-
loids after the experiment. Apparently, alkaloids were not
translocated within the I. asarifolia and the T. corymbosa shoot
systems during the 18 week period; no migration of fungi
within the plant or on the leaf surface was observed under
these experimental conditions.


It sounds like it only transfers on the surface of the plants; grafting is more so of an internal contact than external. I think it is most likely that the fungi spreads from leaf to leaf by contacting the oil pores.
Perhaps just having oil pores of different plants come into contact with each other - say, young leaves of both plants, would aid in it transferring?

Perhaps you'd want to press the leaves together, and add a non-toxic oil-like surfactant such as tween, possibly with the oil dissolved in it. This might encourage some transfer... Seems likely to be that the fungi will only grow in the pores though, as it is a structural thing... I.e like how other ergot related fungi (derr.. ergot) will only grow and produce heads of ergot on the plant OR sorta kinda make them  in modified alginate spheres.

I think the oil pore and intimate contact idea is good for the Dodder project; as it doesn't get more intimate than growing haustoria into the plant, wraping the oil-pore covered stem around another pore covered stem, and than hopefully having the dodder wrap around and grow haustoria into the bindweed; which will likely also be wrapping around the dodder, and the HBWR.

So be a very viny mess.. with all three things tightly wrapped around one another. Once that happens I will perhaps increase the humidity *notice how the LSA producing plants only live in humid areas...? might play an important part...  and perhaps I could even, at that point, try to treat the surfaces with a tiny bit of tween or some other non-toxic surfactant... but that is likely not needed or a good idea.


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