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Lab Tips
« on: September 21, 2011, 07:40:12 AM »
- Use a base bath to clean glassware. Professional R&D labs don't waste time scrubbing out flasks. They use a plastic tub half-full of isopropanol saturated with NaOH. A few hours of soaking will clean the toughest stains off glassware. Hardware store ethanol is cheaper and works fine in my experience. Although the denaturants turn black over time the cleaning power is unaffected.

- Cover the top of hotplates with aluminum foil. It's only a matter of time before something spills.

- A plastic syringe and a centimeter of vinyl hose can be used to make an airtight seal to a glass pipette. This works much better than a rubber bulb, especially for heavy or volatile liquids (CHCl3, Br2, etc.).

- Add a paper clip to oil baths. When using a hotplate/stirrer the paperclip's stirring vastly improves heat transfer and doesn't interfere with stirbars.

Anyone have others they'd like to share?
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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2011, 08:31:31 AM »
I don't get the last one, the paperclip one.

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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2011, 09:56:08 AM »
It sounds like the paper clip stirs the oil under the flask, while still allowing the stir bar to continue on inside the flask without issue. As it stirs the oil, apparently that helps heat transfer from stove to flask without any localised hot spots or unwanted circulation/currents? (just guessing)

I like the Al foil suggestion. :)
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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2011, 10:25:01 AM »
My hotplate used to look perfect, and I bought it used. Now, not so much. I've overflowed all sorts of vile shit on it. My favorite would have to be bromine because I couldn't just move the flask and wipe it up real quick since the fumes were choking the living shit out of me, I had to run. So, a bit late on the foil trick.

@ Vesp, I can't imagine what else he could possibly mean. I may have to try this, although I don't do many oil baths because I hate the smell.

I guess I have a tip- No matter how gently you think you're doing it, do not shake a flask with the stirbar inside trying to loosen precipitate that is hardened on the bottom. It's not a can of spray paint.
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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2011, 03:41:10 PM »
@ Vesp That's exactly right. Stirring the oil really helps distillations & refluxes start faster, and if you're monitoring the bath temp. readings are more accurate.

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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2011, 06:25:26 AM »
Terror tip - if your working in a home kitchen of sorts, keep a pp bucket nearby to put all your waste in. Inherently byproducts, specifically muriatic or hydrochloric acid strips the upper layer of stainless steel sinks.... not pretty, however ALOT of buffing can fix the issue.
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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2011, 08:35:01 AM »
A 50/50 mixture of ethylene glycol/water (OTC prediluted antifreeze) stored in a freezer overnight makes a far more effective cooling bath than salt/ice when doing diazotizations, nitrations etc.

If you have a source of compressed air it can be run through a condenser in place of water. It's effective at condensing distillates, even low-boiling solvents like DCM. It's also cheaper than running tap water through, and unlike a jury-rigged recirculating cooler no ice needs to be added and no parts will ever break down.
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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2011, 09:02:27 AM »
Inherently byproducts, specifically muriatic or hydrochloric acid strips the upper layer of stainless steel sinks.... not pretty, however ALOT of buffing can fix the issue.

Glad you mentioned this as I am moving soon and have to fix the sink where I did this. DOH!. I wasn't sure if it could be buffed, but I guess it can. What do you suggest it be buffed with?
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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2011, 09:16:56 AM »
Hahaha- yeah I brought a cheap orbital car polisher and used a product called brasso. Don't bother trying to buff by hand, it takes waaaay to long!

I also understand you can strip it all back with diluted nitric acidthen polish, I guess it depends on the extent of staining - chek out stainless steel restoration on the gooog

If using an elec polisher, take it easy! It's really easy to make a sink look brand-new :-)
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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2011, 09:36:41 AM »
My lab area and kitchen area are one in the same, so this type of shit is inevitable I guess. Here's a pic my girl took of me making calzones tonight. She thought it was funny that I was making food and a foot away I had a beaker full of potassium hydroxide solution at a nice aggressive boil(see the plate on top to keep in splashes), so she took a pic lol. We have never had anything in our food, so she and I both trust me. Moving in less than a month and I'll have a dedicated lab area. Cannot fucking wait. So many things I am not willing to do in the kitchen.

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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2011, 09:44:32 AM »
Whoa censor that shit!,,,
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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2011, 06:42:25 PM »
the paper-clip trick is indeed a very good one. i have one - if you need dry ice and have a CO2 bottle, you can just stick a thick sock (or maybe 2) on the nozzle and open it. it will fill the sock with dry ice flakes. there is a metallic device for this that does this better, but the sock works well as well.

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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2011, 06:46:23 PM »
another good tip - use a flexible plastic wrap on top of buchner filtration funnels. you pour your stuff in, let the liquids drain, then cover with wrap and fasten the lip. it will suck the wrap down onto the solids and help drain the last bit of solvents out. be mindful which plastic you use since some solvents will eat some plastics

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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2011, 06:49:48 PM »
invest in a overhead stirrer soon as possible, the cost of broken glassware from heavy stir bars soon adds up!

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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2011, 06:50:17 PM »
another good one - if you want to pull hard vacuum but dont want to use a dry ice trap, you can use a good membrane pump on the oil chamber of the hard vacuum pump. it will evacuate the oil chamber and immediately suck away any solvent vapor. as the oil pump operates the oil and chamber heat up facilitating better solvent vapor removal. its not as good as a dry ice trap, but it keeps my pumps pumping good vacuum for years without frequent oil changes.

and I agree with b6baddawg, overhead stirrers are really good for lab use. it also lets you stir efficiently very large volumes.

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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2011, 01:01:18 AM »
- A plastic syringe and a centimeter of vinyl hose can be used to make an airtight seal to a glass pipette. This works much better than a rubber bulb, especially for heavy or volatile liquids (CHCl3, Br2, etc.).
I like!
another good tip - use a flexible plastic wrap on top of buchner filtration funnels. you pour your stuff in, let the liquids drain, then cover with wrap and fasten the lip. it will suck the wrap down onto the solids and help drain the last bit of solvents out. be mindful which plastic you use since some solvents will eat some plastics
Interesting, i'll have to try this. I tried it with a second filter paper ontop of the solids but it didnt seal well enough to work.

Heres one of mine; Want to gas a solution without gassing out the room? Pour the solution to be gassed into a glass bottle with a large cap. Drill two holes into the cap, with a diameter small enough to create an airtight seal with your plastic tubing. One piece of tubing goes in one hole into the solution to be gassed, another tube inserted into the second hole with the end in the vacant space in the bottle with the other end leading to a scrubber solution. This keeps the system totally sealed and any waste fumes are scrubbed :)

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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2011, 08:47:54 AM »
Remembered another one - Silicone grease is surprisingly easy to pack into a syringe. It's much easier and cleaner to dispense from a syringe than it is to daub it on with a finger.

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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2011, 03:14:03 PM »
wet or slightly soapy fingers dont stick to silicone so smearing is easy, a small spray bottle of the same works a treat! or put it (silicone) on a surface and  roll the male joint in it.

Also,as read here, a small layer of water on the bottom of a sand bath creates steam which heats the sand much faster.
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Re: Lab Tips
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2011, 05:09:19 AM »
A 5ml plastic measuring syringe works just perfect for applying grease, Toady uses that for engineering stuff. Works a treat, especially if one ever needs to force it down a narrow hole.
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