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Methadonia
« on: November 02, 2011, 03:18:20 PM »
Methadonia: There's one cure for heroin addiction. But is it a cure? Methadonia is the borderland between high and straight, where recovering heroin addicts on methadone "maintenance" exist. Passing the time on benzos and other prescription drugs that enhance the methadone, addicts find themselves in Methadonia for years, or decades. Selected for the prestigious New York Film Festival and featured on HBO, this unflinching, intimate film reveals the culture of addiction through the eyes and lives of men and women stuck in Methadonia, holding on to the hope they will wake up one morning and not think about getting high.

http://www.putlocker.com/file/B65E9A4388F292DB#

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Re: Methadonia
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2011, 11:18:24 PM »
Absolutely amazing documentary.  Just goes to show you how there are always going to be perverse incentives to keep people on these drugs.

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Re: Methadonia
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2011, 11:24:08 PM »
aint that the truth  :P

The sad thing is these folks WANT to get high, alas, as many here KNOW, "high" is a 'relative' position, to ones 'current' state of mind....just take Mdxx for a few daze, and see "how high" you dont get after a while!

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Re: Methadonia
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2011, 12:46:34 AM »
is'nt it true the Nixon administration came up with this idea?
In that time a good percentage of theft and economic crime (i think it got as high as 70%) was commited by heroin addicts.
also, the russians also noted this and flooded the u.s. with afgani heroin (that's another story) to undermine capitalism using this logic.
i don't know what lobby methadone has today, it might be a continuation of these old policies.

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Re: Methadonia
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2012, 06:43:40 PM »
ok, i know a guy that knows the director (and i don't know him because i don't want to), and i know the guy his other documentary is based on "dangerous with love" (what a pompous fuckin title), and they're both, well....
i don't like them.
dmitri rips off ppl offering underground ibo treatments, he's a piece of shit.
a documentary about the work of this scumbag?! cmon.

as for methadonia, well..
i live in a place where heroin all but disappeared when methadone flooded the streets.
it's the same game, more or less, only not prosecuted.
there are 'done dealers, people in the program who've never even touched the stuff, etc.
people paying other people to get in there for profit..
yes, there's this other thing, we get pure IVable methadone here. nobody takes it any other way but IV.
and it's a sight a whole lot more disgusting then when smack was around.
they just hit the tolerance wall at some point (as it is with methadone) and start popping benzos and what not.

not that i give a fuck, they can all wither up and die for all i care.
seen enough ugly shit in that scene.

and i know the people at the clinics are very well aware of this and have interest in keeping it going.

"In the words of Archimedes, give me a lever long enough and a place to rest it... or I shall kill one hostage every hour."

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Re: Methadonia
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 01:10:54 AM »
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and it's a sight a whole lot more disgusting then when smack was around.
they just hit the tolerance wall at some point (as it is with methadone) and start popping benzos and what not.

yeah I think its the same world over :-\

I remember meeting junkies in India who had sold their passports, to buy smack/opium ::)

 one french chick in particular, who was in this limbo spun me out and made me look carefully at my own situation :o

fortunately I was cashed up.......Buuuut...I could see me in her :-[

I sometimes wonder what things would be like IF drugs were legal
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 01:31:57 AM »
Legal doesn't mean unregulated. If they were legal, a lot of us who don't use any self control would be junkies very quick. Alternatively, the world would go crazy - wait, stop, - it already is.
off to bigger and better things - don't worry I will visit from time to time

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Re: Methadonia
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 12:43:04 PM »
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Legal doesn't mean unregulated. If they were legal, a lot of us who don't use any self control would be junkies very quick. Alternatively, the world would go crazy - wait, stop, - it already is

lol!...yeah!

and as its crazy, they regulate the junkies instead of the drugs, the potent ones being quasi-legal, and the REALLY GOOD ONES=Illegal :'(


as a members sign off on another forum goes, "shit marriage, dead end job? take Pills, problem solved"

smacks of Huxleys 'Brave New World' and soma, "a gram is better than a damn" ;D

a pov I am inclined to agree with ;)
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2012, 05:36:20 PM »
I remember meeting junkies in India who had sold their passports, to buy smack/opium ::)

oh, in the worst of days i have pawned my shit too, including ID/passport.
pathetic & desperate.
but you don't really see it that way when you're dripping sweat outside in the middle of the winter...
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Re: Methadonia
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2012, 08:01:46 AM »
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but you don't really see it that way when you're dripping sweat outside in the middle of the winter...

yeah I hear ya,,but tradeoffs are relative

I dont mind losing/selling a passport at home, OS especially in India or another 3rd world environs is another thing altogether :o

before email, I used to write addresses I didnt want to lose in the back of my passport....I've lost 4....every time when I got home! (thank fuck)

I know my embassy will provide me with replacement papers IF I happened to "lose" mine, or as once happened in thailand, I got arrested and LE confiscated it...

BUT,  if I "lost" it in somewhere like Katmandu...especially these days, I'd not like my chances of an easy replacement...so hangin out becomes an acceptable alternative!

the thing about Indians is many look VERY european, with a tan...which is not the case in SE Asia....hence the passports are pretty valuable, especially older ones ::)
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Re: Methadonia
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2012, 01:05:49 PM »
I have thus far refused to watch this show, since it's a subject close to my heart, so to speak. I was able to kick heroin with ibogaine. When I first told my family I was a heroin addict their first response was to contact a methadone based program and try to get me in it. I already had the ibogaine, I just needed a place to do the 72 hours. After a ton of pleading my mother finally agreed to let me try the ibogaine. Lo and behold, it worked. Had I started 'methadone maintenance', I would still be on it I'm sure. The whole subject of methadone is one that just pisses me off.

I didn't have anything of substance to add, just that.
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2012, 01:20:07 PM »
high five.
ibo FTW.
not that many ppl like us out there.
haven't been an addict ever since i took that ride, altho still the same junkie at heart.
is been more than 2 years now that i have been an almost responsible weekend junkie.
and did help a lot of folk purchasing that 4 key from the heart of africa straight after i realized tis shit was gold.
i took this 12gr TA ride that a 63 rabbi from israel exclaimed this was going back to the dawn of creation, i stopped right after convulsions started.
still being somewhat adventurous, this shit trully pulled me down the bottom of the history of my DNA, to the very primordial horror and i was too terrified to talk about it for a week after.
have you only tried it as a detox tool?
cos its quite different when you do it tabula rasa.
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Re: Methadonia
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2012, 01:21:40 PM »
to this day, even experienced psychonaut friends think im crazy when i try to talk about this brave dive into the unknown of mine, lol.
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2012, 01:45:10 PM »
and as i said, being part of the whole global ibo medical subculture, i stand by my words that both the director of this movie and everybody in his circle a fucking scumbags.

i somehow want to spread this reputation of theirs, as disgusting as it is on my part.
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2012, 02:41:45 PM »
did you find the Iboga changed your "attitude" to opiates, and other drugz, even though that was not the reason you took it?

As any self respecting opiate addict would surely appreciate the ability to become a "successful" weekend user no?  :P  I guess it has some value this way, si?

I hear it gives one a high level of insight into the "whys and wherefores" of their drug use overall

I find it a fascinating drug, with extraordinary effects, although I havent tried it, I would like to sometime, but not "for fun" I hear its not actually a "fun" thing to take!

Pray tell, why the fuck did you CHOSE to take ibogaine for FUN!!!
I cant say its something that appeals to f1 as a "recreational substance"

that said, I cant say methadone is "fun" to take, for more than 2days in a row, as for its WD's IMO, fentanyl is the only opioid which has such loooong and unpleasant withdrawals :o

Hey man o steel, do you think it would be able to "stop" 'done WD's?  I hear it does with heroin ... do you understand "how" it does so?
   heroin WD's only last for 4-5days, so I can understand how after 2-3 days Ibogad'd off your head, could overide heroin WDs, (or they would be pretty much over, by the time it "wore off") but methadone is more like 4-5weeks, so I wonder if you would still be feeling them when the iboga wore off?

what do you think?

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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2012, 02:46:22 PM »
I only did it once and it was ibogaine HCl, not the total alkaloid cocktail you speak of. I have lost all tendency to abuse drugs. I'm not sure if the ibogaine did this or that the heroin was the mother of all drugs making everything else seem hind tit. About a week ago I thought I was about to be raided, long story, I was very tense and nervous. My back was fucking killing me as well. I sat down and decided to sort through some old papers to calm me down when I got a glimpse of something pink. Upon further investigation I discovered that it was a bag of dope. 2 years this bag has been there and I never saw it. I haven't did heroin in almost two years at that point. I quickly dug out some works and cooked up the bag. As the dope warmed my neck and then body I felt great. At the risk of sounding like a heritic, God gave me that bag right then when I needed it most. I didn't hate when it was over or crave more. I dunno, I'm just not the same anymore. Like I said, I'm not sure if that's due to the ibogaine or what. I have serious injuries that grant me any narcotic pain killers I want, all I have to do is ask. I've been completely clean of all drugs except marijuana for 2 months now (save that single bag last week) and it feels good. My back hurts a lot, but not being dependent on opiates is a great feeling. Even though my most recent dependencies have been 'legitimate' because of my injuries, I still prefer to not be dependent. Opiates are wonderful. Thing is, like most women, they love you passionately one minute then try to destroy you the next. Ibogaine should be unscheduled as it had zero potential for abuse. Of course that makes no difference to the powers that be. Any compound which empowers an individual will always threaten a corrupt government.
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2012, 02:55:38 PM »
i never said i took ibo for fun.
it's probably the least 'fun' and most rewarding drug out there, at least in my track record.

i just wanted to see how deep the rabbit hole goes, and suffice to say, i'd rather take a hit of 5Meo any day over this.

it's VERY potent shit one shouldn't mess about with.

as i said, i could barely speak for a week after.

i am glad i did this, and if it wasn't me dumb enough i probably would have never undertaken such a ride...

and i was actually just hooked on methadone, which scared the shit out of me, knowing, from observation, this shit is for life, on top of the H...

3 days after i took the extract, no pain, no withdrawal and feeling energetic and upbeat.
no addiction or dependence ever since.
that is not to say my life has become any easier, of course.

and i never liked fentanyl, lol.
an 8 yr career, i stick with morphine and it's esters, fuck all else.
i'm even skeptical about jon's lope enterprise, and i've tried the acyl ester.

but then again, there are ppl around here that prefer bupe to H, so i guess different strokes for different folks.

whatever the case, and the warning never at all works, watch your way with opiates.
nothing else makes you as physiologically, biochemically dependent.
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Re: Methadonia
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2012, 02:55:56 PM »


I clearly remember the first day after taking the ibogaine. Though I was unable to get out of bed I do remember not being sick at all. For some reason my mother did not take the needle and spoon from my bedside. My mental habit was so strong I struggled, on my back, for at least an hour to work up a cotton shot from the spoon. I finally got that shot of water in me lol and passed right back out. I wasn't sick like I would have normally been, just mentally in need of that needle prick. The dope sickness is something I could not overcome, that's what I know ibogaine did for me. Whether it helped with the mental addiction, I'm not sure. I do know that I'm no longer prone to drug abuse, though.
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2012, 02:58:59 PM »
exactly the same scenario, so it seems to be the ibo.
i've done +1 week marathons and could still take it or leave it.
it's weird.
unbelievable, almost.

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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2012, 02:59:48 PM »
I have to repeat what tryl said about ibo's power. It took me about 5 days to regain enough strength to walk 20 feet without assistance. The shit is pireful yo.
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