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Assyl Fartrate

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acetonedicarboxylic acid to fentanyl?
« on: November 20, 2011, 09:57:09 PM »
Assyl has wondered why this has not been discussed on this board. Acetonedicarboxylic acid is easily prepared from citric acid and conc. sulfuric acid at 0C:

hxxp://orgsyn.org/orgsyn/pdfs/CV1P0010.pdf

Borrowing from Robinson's famous tropinone synthesis, the backbone of this beautiful molecule probably could be assembled in one trivial step from the calcium salt of acetonedicarboxylic acid, formaldehyde, and phenethylamine hydrochloride (dietary supplement).

hxxp://tropane.lab-q.net/synthesis/syn_tropine

It seems keeping the pH around 7 may help minimize the formation of tar from enol condensation. The next big question becomes when to decarboxylate this skeleton. If done immediately, decarboxylation will be trivial, but tar formation may be a problem. If done after reductive amination with aniline, it will be more difficult but the formation of tar could be avoided. It would probably require experimentation to determine the best course of action here. Either way, once this issue is resolved, the rest of the synthesis becomes almost a joke, especially thanks to jon's breakthrough OTC synthesis of propionic anhydride from sodium pyrosulfate and calcium propionate. Aniline could come from hydrolysis of everyone's favorite animal repellant, followed by decarboxylation. Can't remember for sure, but Assyl believes that a methyl on the aniline doesn't affect potency much, so it may also be possible to lazily nitrate toluene and hit it with Fe/HCl, using toluidine instead.

An important question is whether alpha-methyl fentanyl or alpha-methyl-beta-hydroxyl-fentanyl is more euphoric than plain ol' fentanyl. Both of the former are at least longer lived than the short acting fentanyl, which is a huge asset. No one likes dope with no legs.

Thoughts?
« Last Edit: November 20, 2011, 10:27:04 PM by Assyl Fartrate »
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Re: acetonedicarboxylic acid to fentanyl?
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2011, 06:40:34 AM »
Some answers are found here:

hxxp://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1950AuSRA...3..330A/0000335.000.html
(The link does work! Yeah, weird use of slashes and periods...)

hxxp://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00397919209409262#preview
[Synthesis of Derivatives of 1, 2, 6-Trisubstituted-4-Piperidones]

Apparently, using formaldehyde, acetonedicarboxylic acid esters, and a primary amine ends up with a red oil and no isolable product. However... Mannich apparently reported conducting this reaction using acetaldehyde instead of formaldehyde, getting decent yields.

This leads to the question: is 2,6-dimethylfentanyl active? Assyl does not know. He does know that 2,5-dimethylfentanyl is active:

hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenaridine

If 2,6-dimethylfentanyl is not active, and the piperidone synthesis fails with formaldehyde, perhaps it could be ran with glyoxylic acid ester instead? (Decarboxylate after the ring formation!) Would have fucking four carboxyl groups on that piperidone ring, might as well try to make carfentanil and go for five... :P

One further question is whether the reaction would go with acetic acid as solvent. In another paper, Noller and Baliah report "improved yields" with acetic acid vs. aqueous or alcoholic solvent (using acetone instead of the dicarboxylic acid). The yield with the latter two is not reported, however, and all reactions were ran using benzaldehyde.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2011, 07:35:28 AM by Assyl Fartrate »
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Re: acetonedicarboxylic acid to fentanyl?
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2011, 08:18:59 AM »
righto i was going to tell you that it only works on substituted aldehydes.
if you use formalin all you get is polymeric gunk.
this has been investigated before, glad you could confirm it is a waste of time.