a "Whip Stirrer? Google gave not much more...
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fishinabottle
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fresh1
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Looks good to me!
any reason to think it isnt?
any reason to think it isnt?
Dr. Tox
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The one my partner had contained two teflon armatures that would fold up to insert into the neck of the glass & would then drop downward, attached at the top to an overhead stirrer.
I've never seen one with a wiry side arm structure.
I've never seen one with a wiry side arm structure.
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I think theyre called hershburg stirrers.
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http://www.jce.divched.org/journal/Issues/1994/Aug/jceSubscriber/JCE1994p0718.pdf
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http://www.jce.divched.org/journal/Issues/1994/Aug/jceSubscriber/JCE1994p0718.pdf
fishinabottle
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Ok a Hershberg then. But what is a whip stirrer? Organic Syntheses recommends to use one in Iron filings/HCl reductions and probably Sn/Zn etc. too.
Now I would only want to know what ist is? Magic?
Now I would only want to know what ist is? Magic?
lugh
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These stirrers are mentioned on pp 64-9 of Vogel's Third Edition of the:
http://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/vogel_practical_ochem_3.pdf
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/vogel3.html
Textbook of Practical Organic Chemistry They're superior when there's solids adhering to the bottom of a round bottom flask They're not manufactured commercially so most chemists are unaware of their existence
http://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/vogel_practical_ochem_3.pdf
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/vogel3.html
Textbook of Practical Organic Chemistry They're superior when there's solids adhering to the bottom of a round bottom flask They're not manufactured commercially so most chemists are unaware of their existence
fishinabottle
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Yes, but is this what Organic Synthesis means with "whip stirrer"?
Something to keep 30 mesh iron filings in suspension over hours. I don´t think this part will manage this. The vibrating stirrer Vogel shows, ok...
Something to keep 30 mesh iron filings in suspension over hours. I don´t think this part will manage this. The vibrating stirrer Vogel shows, ok...
lugh
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The text from Vogel's:
A useful stirrer—sometimes termed a Hershberg stirrer— for efficient agitation in round-bottomed vessels, even of pasty mixtures, is presented in Fig. II, 7, 7. It consists of a hollow glass tube to which a glass ring is sealed ; the glass ring is threaded with chromel or nichrome or tantalum wire (about 1 mm. diameter). By sealing another glass ring at right angles to the first and threading this with wire, better results will be obtained ; this is usually unnecessary. The stirrer is easily introduced through a narrow opening, and in operation follows the contour of the flask; it is therefore particularly valuable when it is desired to stir a solid which clings obstinately to the bottom of a round-bottomed flask.
The image from Vogel's that's attached appears almost identical to the image in the first post in this thread Vogel's also states that this design is sometimes called a Hershberg stirrer since that's the name of the inventor What's particularly useful about the Vogel's text and the modification from JCE is that directions are given for a glassblower as far as construction Whether the Organic Syntheses recommendation works as stated will have to be determined by experiment, but the procedures are checked and have been relied on by chemists for many decades Arthur Vogel used Organic Syntheses as his primary source material even though no formal credit was ever given
A useful stirrer—sometimes termed a Hershberg stirrer— for efficient agitation in round-bottomed vessels, even of pasty mixtures, is presented in Fig. II, 7, 7. It consists of a hollow glass tube to which a glass ring is sealed ; the glass ring is threaded with chromel or nichrome or tantalum wire (about 1 mm. diameter). By sealing another glass ring at right angles to the first and threading this with wire, better results will be obtained ; this is usually unnecessary. The stirrer is easily introduced through a narrow opening, and in operation follows the contour of the flask; it is therefore particularly valuable when it is desired to stir a solid which clings obstinately to the bottom of a round-bottomed flask.
The image from Vogel's that's attached appears almost identical to the image in the first post in this thread Vogel's also states that this design is sometimes called a Hershberg stirrer since that's the name of the inventor What's particularly useful about the Vogel's text and the modification from JCE is that directions are given for a glassblower as far as construction Whether the Organic Syntheses recommendation works as stated will have to be determined by experiment, but the procedures are checked and have been relied on by chemists for many decades Arthur Vogel used Organic Syntheses as his primary source material even though no formal credit was ever given
fishinabottle
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Oh thats a misunderstanding. See the picture of the Hersberg is NOT from OrgSynth but this I found searching for this magical "whip stirrer".
But I seems nobody has an idea what this is
Nevermind, what would you recommend to solve the problem: "Keep iron/zinc in suspension" but I will of course also look in the Vogels3rd what he used in dissolving metal reactions.
But I seems nobody has an idea what this is
Nevermind, what would you recommend to solve the problem: "Keep iron/zinc in suspension" but I will of course also look in the Vogels3rd what he used in dissolving metal reactions.
lugh
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The attached article describes the action of a Hershberg stirrer in the preparation of lithium sand as whipping The picture of the whip stirrer from the google search and the Hershberg stirrer from Vogel's are virtually identical That's all the information that can be found
fishinabottle
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Hard to imagine - at least for me - that this would work for keeping heaps of iron in suspension.
Searched the net myself and it seems a shrouded turbine mixer/stirrer would be the way to go.
Searched the net myself and it seems a shrouded turbine mixer/stirrer would be the way to go.
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