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fishinabottle

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Is this
« on: January 13, 2012, 01:26:03 PM »
a "Whip Stirrer? Google gave not much more...


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Re: Is this
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2012, 02:58:46 PM »
Looks good to me!

any reason to think it isnt?
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Re: Is this
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 07:25:13 PM »
The one my partner had contained two teflon armatures that would fold up to insert into the neck of the glass & would then drop downward, attached at the top to an overhead stirrer.

I've never seen one with a wiry side arm structure.
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Re: Is this
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 08:51:30 PM »
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Re: Is this
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2012, 12:07:42 AM »
Ok a Hershberg then. But what is a whip stirrer? Organic Syntheses recommends to use one in Iron filings/HCl reductions and probably Sn/Zn etc. too.

Now I would only want to know what ist is? Magic?  ::)

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Re: Is this
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2012, 02:11:00 AM »
These stirrers are mentioned on pp 64-9 of Vogel's Third Edition of the:

http://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/vogel_practical_ochem_3.pdf

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/vogel3.html

Textbook of Practical Organic Chemistry  ;) They're superior when there's solids adhering to the bottom of a round bottom flask :P They're not manufactured commercially so most chemists are unaware of their existence  8)
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Re: Is this
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 05:29:18 AM »
Yes, but is this what Organic Synthesis means with "whip stirrer"?

Something to keep 30 mesh iron filings in suspension over hours. I don´t think this part will manage this. The vibrating stirrer Vogel shows, ok...

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Re: Is this
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 06:01:25 AM »
The text from Vogel's:

A useful stirrer—sometimes termed a Hershberg stirrer— for efficient agitation in round-bottomed vessels, even of pasty mixtures, is presented in Fig. II, 7, 7. It consists of a hollow glass tube to which a glass ring is sealed ; the glass ring is threaded with chromel or nichrome or tantalum wire (about 1 mm. diameter). By sealing another glass ring at right angles to the first and threading this with wire, better results will be obtained ; this is usually unnecessary. The stirrer is easily introduced through a narrow opening, and in operation follows the contour of the flask; it is therefore particularly valuable when it is desired to stir a solid which clings obstinately to the bottom of a round-bottomed flask.

The image from Vogel's that's attached appears almost identical to the image in the first post in this thread  ;)  Vogel's also states that this design is sometimes called a Hershberg stirrer since that's the name of the inventor  :P What's particularly useful about the Vogel's text and the modification from JCE is that directions are given for a glassblower as far as construction :-X  Whether the Organic Syntheses recommendation works as stated will have to be determined by experiment, but the procedures are checked and have been relied on by chemists for many decades   :-X  Arthur Vogel used Organic Syntheses as his primary source material even though no formal credit was ever given 8)
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Re: Is this
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 03:02:31 PM »
Oh thats a misunderstanding. See the picture of the Hersberg is NOT from OrgSynth but this I found searching for this magical "whip stirrer".

But I seems nobody has an idea what this is  :(

Nevermind, what would you recommend to solve the problem: "Keep iron/zinc in suspension" but I will of course also look in the Vogels3rd what he used in dissolving metal reactions.

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Re: Is this
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 03:29:25 PM »
The attached article describes the action of a Hershberg stirrer in the preparation of lithium sand as whipping ;)  The picture of the whip stirrer from the google search and the Hershberg stirrer from Vogel's are virtually identical  :P  That's all the information that can be found  8)
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Re: Is this
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 07:15:20 PM »
Hard to imagine - at least for me - that this would work for keeping heaps of iron in suspension. 

Searched the net myself and it seems a shrouded turbine mixer/stirrer would be the way to go.