You know vesp, this is something which could be a good thing if done well
Actually I was thinking of 'centering' this as a project solely with the view to making MDxx. Becoz imo, THEY ARE THE 'most beneficial' of the compounds, of ALL the entheogens one could take.
Not many compounds have the ability after taking them just once or twice, of being significant enough to change the attitude/pov's and subsequently the actions and behavior of a human so profoundly, and ime, not in a 'bad' way.
It is a cerebral drug and IMO ANY thing which 'improves' the way a person think in such a profoundly positive way is my kind of drug
And only something like LSD possibly compares in the ability of the 'experience/trip' to 'reset' a persons mind so significantly, and nothing I have ever known can do it in such a positive way as a good dose of MDMA.
The benefit a good 'roll' can have for someone who is depressed/upset/grieving or even when just suffering mindfuck and is 'confused', is profound.
And like acid, it doesnt necessarily take several or repeat doses, just one good experience on MDMA changes folks in a way f1 applauds. And 'if' they are one of the lucky people who have 'no problems' and dont get depressed or sad then taking this drug is highly unlikely to do them any harm
And MDA while not as touchy/feely, it is still an 'inspiring' compound worthy of sharing
Not to sound like a dick but that information is gathered on this forum and others and yes it takes work to search and find but I am not sure it is a reasonable expectation that someone else puts this into a nice easy curriculum for newbees to follow. I am not sure it is even possible _ this is not an easy subject.
Far from sounding like a dick, I agree completely that work IS required, however for many an 'inspired and aspiring' home chemist who "doesnt know where to start" . . . well,,
maybe we could come up with a guide of all the tried and true processes needed to achieve the goal, and the pro's and cons of the ones described, and list them in progress of their difficulty as far as lab skill goes, all the time while leading to the outcome of a happy dream?
In truth one doesnt 'need' to understand more than the essence of what they are doing, to do what needs to be done to get the job done, and although home chemistry can bee potentially hazardous, part of this project would also be to develop safe and if all possible 'idiot proof' techniques for the masses!
Take some of the 'elitism' out of the job while inspiring more people to 'have a go'
Providing the 2012 equivalent of a Brightstar thread would bee a good thing
Even if the rxns are slow and poor yeilding, IF they produce the goods whilst increasing supply, this is what we want!
An example would be refining some of the reductions which use very otc metals AND some more step by step ghetto lab equipment conjuring guides and techniques.
I was thinking maybe having a section where members of this 'hive' can throw ideas/methods on some reasonably 'bulletproof' procedures for say, making necessary precursors, where they get refined, and finally reposted under a new listing Maybe together with some discussions on the "reality" of 'home chemistry' like the time spent prepping or cleaning or just watching and waiting
This could be 'based around' a thread such as "Antibody 2's acidic MDxx" topic which could even be refined. There are actually quite a few old topics which have great data in them....maybe we could start somewhere where we could post them for reconsideration and possible resurection!
The rationale behind this is to help provide a clearly defined direction to follow and some incentive to the learner whilst they walk the long and winding road to the first batch
And to promote the production of good MDxx, which once mastered will have opened to them, other chemical doors! The more people that know 'how' the better
I think many people come here hoping to be spoon fed, so lets do some spoon feeding via a Learners thread where we post tried and true successful processes. There IS a wealth of information already here as well as out there, so why dont we try and consolidate it and create THE place to come for cutting edge otc ghetto technique
I can understand all the hard work many of us have put in to 'understand' what we are doing, but few if any of us, are molecular manipulators at the theoretical level and much of the chemistry done here requires some good lab technique rather than a theoretical understanding of whats happening. At the end of the day I want to get stoned, not get a job!
So far in f1's experience, sourcing was the trickiest bit, the 'rest' which required application, dilligence and patience is more about commitment and tenacity. This is not the place for those not prepared to fail. Another thing worth mentioning
Yeah, I'd like to see this site more thriving with drug chemistry than special academia stuff
yes my Queen
tl;dr lets work out a way to make it easier for the average dude/tte to make drugs at home and inspire more peeps to do so
anyway thats enough of my buzzcrap
There has also been the 'issue' of not revealing trade secrets to LE, however I think that these days they know it all, and have taken the best steps they could to stop this compound being made.
Now we have come to a lull in the restrictions, so its a good time to refine a few of the procedures and techniques to help them become doable today. Much of the data at say Rhodium, while informative and useful, is out of date and no longer viable so lets make an 'updated' version here and this will attract more hungry wasps too, and we are nice to the nice ones and sting the fuck out of any trolls or the like...
I learnt what I needed to pass, not what I now want to know
