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Zajcek01's random experiments
« on: July 18, 2009, 02:28:11 PM »
Here I will post everything that I try out.

Sometimes I ask myself: "what will happen if.....?"
And then this question is haunting me....not letting me to sleep until I have an answer.


Experiment no.1:
Today I tried to perform a bit modified version of a reaction of propiophenone with an alkyl nitrite.
This are the original examples:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3090812.html
http://www.orgsyn.org/orgsyn/prep.asp?prep=CV2p0363

My reaction was the following:
To a beaker was added 4,80g of propiophenone and 15ml of 37% HCl.
Enough of isopropanol was added to dissolve everything.
Then slowly 20ml of isopropyl nitrite was added using an eyedropper.
The mixture heat up and started refluxing. Isopropyl nitrite was added at such rate, that reaction boiled only gently. After all isopropyl nitrite was added, 5ml more of 37% HCl was added and let it sit over night. The result was an oily solution a bit darker in color than propiophenone. (orange-ish)

In the morning, 100ml of water was added to that oily residue which at first looked like a bit darkened, unreacted propiophenone. An oily bubble that sank to the bottom looked like nothing reacted at all. Disappointed I got dressed and went outside. After about 4 or 5 hours I came back to clean up, and dispose of the "failed experiment", but on my surprise, the oily mass at the bottom of the solution became needle-like crystals of orange-ish color sticked together as a single mass. Some sparkling crystals were also floating around in solution. And there were still some unreacted propiophenone.

After crystals were noticed, some more water was added.

Water was poured off and crystals were placed on a toilet paper, to absorb the remaining water and unreacted propiophenone. They were then placed on a second peace of toilet paper, paper was then folded in half, and pressed hard to absorb remaining liquids.

During drying some light lachrymatory properties of the product or of some impurity was observed.
(burning in the eyes and tearing) They were about 10x less severe than those of cool bromo-propiophenone.

Maybe some propiophenone got chlorinated with HCl, resilting chloro-propiophenone impurity?

Some pictures:
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Re: Zajcek01's random experiments
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2009, 05:37:48 PM »
Cool zajcek. Are you going to start a threed on this once you get all your ducks in a row? I would not mind hearing more if you don't mind.

G-luck.

If you don't mind me asking whats the desired outcome of all this? Tell me in the PM if your uncomfterble placing it here.
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Re: Zajcek01's random experiments
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2009, 05:47:00 PM »
My goal is to make some phenyl-propanolamine (norephedrine), amphetamines as some might think are not in my interest.

I will start a thread when I will fit all pieces together.
It will contain pictures, descriptions, procedures, exact ratios used and my observations during certain reactions.
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Re: Zajcek01's random experiments
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2009, 05:54:13 PM »
Ok can't wait to see. Also something to keep in mind that norephedrine can be hydrolysized to Phenyl 2 Propanal which could be useful in other synthesis. I understand that amphetamines are not the target but the Phenyl Propanal could be used to synthesis other Phenyl ethylamine structures as well.

Also will this reaction produce a racemic mixture of Phenyl-propanolamine I assume?
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Re: Zajcek01's random experiments
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2009, 06:20:12 PM »
Yes, it does produce racemic mixture.
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Re: Zajcek01's random experiments
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2009, 06:39:40 PM »
Nice to see you have your own random experiments thread :) I like this trend.

Good work on the test synthesis by the way, doesn't water interfere with the reaction? Orgsyn seemed like they were gassing in dry HCl.

You could make ephedrine. That would be cool, and something I've always wanted to do.

If you don't mind telling me, how did you get propiophenone?
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Re: Zajcek01's random experiments
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2009, 07:11:15 PM »
I intentionally tried aquos HCl, just to see what will happen, and added enough solvent to dissolve everything.

Propiophenone was ordered from our local chemical supplier, who is a distributer for Sigma-Aldrich.
They sent me a nice glass bottle, packed like it was some expensive wine. :)
It actually wasn't that cheap :S

I plan on making some propiophenone in the future, If the time and money will let me ;)
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Re: Zajcek01's random experiments
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2009, 12:56:23 AM »
I see, so even with aqueous HCl it seems to have worked. That is interesting, I wonder why the keep it dry, I'm guessing better yields?

Anyways, nice bottle of propiophenone, and how is going?
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Re: Zajcek01's random experiments
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2009, 02:49:15 PM »
I guess it is because of better yields and less need for a solvent, which means less waste and less environmental stress.

Today another experiment will be performed with bigger quantities and the use of better purified isopropyl nitrite and the use of distilled water instad of ordinary tap water.
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Re: Zajcek01's random experiments
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2010, 08:50:16 PM »
Very nice thread ! Thanks for posting your results. :)