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Vesp's Random Thoughts Thread.
« on: April 28, 2012, 06:27:39 AM »
I have been trying to blog for a while -- but I never have enough motivation to finish my blog posts -- and also.. .who the hell reads and responds to blogs? Not me.
So... I figured I'd post some of this stuff here instead of a blog which I never have published. Perhaps it will help me figure out my ideas better and see if they *really* make as much sense as I think they do when they are inside my head - as opposed to being critically looked at by me while I type them, or others...

----Group Fitness & Correcting Grammar & Spelling-------

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I thought this picture was very funny.

It also started to make me wonder about how humans will often teach each other, in a nearly altruistic fashion. I know I have learned more grammar on the internet than in school, in addition to more politics, history, and many other things because people want to correct me. But why would they want to do that? What benefit is it to them?
I asked myself that question and came up with an answer that satisfies me.

If you take an evolutionary perspective, which you should as this is a very biology related topic, and look at others who help teach one another, it is often because they are friends, family or share a common interest. I am going to say that the person helping or educating the other person sees them as part of their group or "tribe" if you will.
A stronger "tribe" will increase the over all survival of each individual, making the efforts to teach others selfish. This is exactly how and why birds, or apes will warn their group of a predator, even though at that time it momentarily decreases their chance of survival, but since everyone acts that way, in the end it strengthens the over all fitness of the tribe, and each individual within the group.

Since we humans are so connected with one another, and extremely social, perhaps more so than any other organism, I don't really think we have a single "tribe" like the other animals. Instead we make tribes ourselves. Our family, friends, and "strangers" who have similar interests, such as those you meet on forums, or god forbid tumblr, become part of an individuals tribe or tribes and we are programmed via natural selection to teach them and point other individuals in the correct direction - such as by being an asshole and correcting their grammar, spelling, punctuation, facts, and ideas. Alongside sharing our own ideas.

Also correcting people on grammar and other things seems to give the individual who did so a positive review by their peers. Perhaps this also ties in with my tribe-hypothesis and makes it even less altruistic. Educating a peer within the same "tribe" is not only to increase over all survival but to also show dominance in a tribe. This would increase the individuals sexual reproductive fitness as it shows they are perhaps something like the "Alpha male"?
Humans who do not use strength/force, often use intellect to impress the other sex, and their peers. So I bet that also plays an important part in teaching other individuals of their tribe. Again, other apes, esp. gorillas will fight one another to show dominance, but due to our societies rules - we need to find another way to show our dominance. Many scientists believe we do so via showing off our intelligence or social power.

Another thing is, you generally do not correct strangers of their grammar or ideas - they don't seem to be worth the effort. This coincides well with my tribe-teaching hypothesis, because why would you want to ever help someone not in your tribe? They'd be a competitor for the scarce resources you want for yourself or your tribe... such as jobs, money, social power, or even cheesecake at a party (you'll only show your friends where to get some, screw everyone else at the party who isn't your friend, you don't want them to eat all of your cheesecake! ammiright?)

If you actually read this post, what do you think about that idea? See any sections for improvement or any major flaws? The entire thing could just be gibberish.

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Next will be the discussion about my idea that Organisms Do Not Exist. or possibly How Ideas Serve The Same Purpose as DNA & Sexual Reproduction
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Re: Vesp's Random Thoughts Thread.
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2012, 03:42:46 PM »
Your ideas are certainly valid. I think there is and would be valuable insight your blog posts enough to respond!
The "Stranger Hypothesis" seems to be correct in every way. Is there ever middle ground in the sharing of common interests, being part of the tribe, or being an outsider? Do we not help only to boast of our knowledge to gain status, and to help others gain that status?  -- The point being that why we do things might not be certain, but that we do choose to do those things even when it might be difficult is amazing.
Take for example the ##Chemistry irc channel on freenode, hundreds of people willing to help on very basic things like does Nitrogen have -3 charge, to more advanced things (that would take up more space than i am willing to put into an example). There is no particular reason for people helping others -sharing- knowledge. Some are there because they are plagued by boredom. Still others are not sure themselves why, but they know it is because they feel some intellectual gratification by teaching. 
Why am I typing this (On this particular site) ? - I don't know, but will continue to participate none the less.
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Re: Vesp's Random Thoughts Thread.
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2012, 04:41:25 AM »
    Vesp's blog eh?    I dont know how you find the time!  :o
   
  But you are asking some very interesting questions...so ok I will have a go here at answering some as best I can   :)

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But why would they want to do that? What benefit is it to them?

    I believe we "teach best what we need to know"  It is a form of 're-enforcement'

    If we can get someone else to use "our" knowledge successfully, it validates that knowledge to ourselves. 
    And if it works for them, then we know it is not just a subjective pov/opinion, but a (more) objective one wit reproducible effects which supports its validity.
 
    At the end of the day its all about successful survival..... have you read  "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins  Vesp,? It talks  at length about the evolutionary benefits of these 'types' of behavior including altruism.
     Altruism has long been a trait which has puzzled behavioral scientists as it didnt seem to have any direct benefits to the organism.  But for a long time they failed to consider the long term and tagential consequences of altruistic behavior with regard to survival.

    Helping another has a multitude of unseen benefits, ranging from possible 'direct' reciprocal behavior from those helped at some time in the future, through to potential returns to ones offspring due to the actions of the parents, enhancing the chances evolutionary success.

    The fact altruism is a trait seen in several species suggests that altruistic behavior  plays a part in evolutionary success otherwise it would not have survived.

   As for communication, once again it is something which enhances the survival of 'social' or group organisms from ants to zebras.  Being able to co-ordinate the behavior of the 'group' (be it a tribe, pack, hive or other) in areas such as hunting, gathering or hive building and procreation, particularly in the so called higher mammals is beneficial for all concerned.

    All the traits you mention have evolved over aeons, are highly complex and  have really only come under greater scrutiny fairly recently with the advent of the behavioral sciences.

  I hope this helps a bit

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Re: Vesp's Random Thoughts Thread.
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2012, 11:26:58 PM »
......sometimes is not so much to show your dominance, but to help those that need help, nothing more nothing less.....besides i found personally i gain more knowledge from helping  and others benefit from my help so its not a selfish thing......i've been doing this for years in many forums and thats how I see it.....java
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Re: Vesp's Random Thoughts Thread.
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2012, 08:22:06 AM »
How Ideas Serve The Same Purpose as DNA & Sexual Reproduction

I'm interested in seeing your thoughts on that topic. I quite agree that many parallels can be made between the development of various genepools and of various schools of thought.

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Re: Vesp's Random Thoughts Thread.
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2012, 09:44:25 AM »
How Ideas Serve The Same Purpose as DNA & Sexual Reproduction

I'm interested in seeing your thoughts on that topic. I quite agree that many parallels can be made between the development of various genepools and of various schools of thought.

You got it. I will write about that soon. :)
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Re: Vesp's Random Thoughts Thread.
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2012, 07:08:03 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQGYr9bnktw

This is related...

I will soon right about How Ideas Serve The Same Purpose as DNA & Sexual Reproduction -- but I have been a bit lazy.
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2012, 05:58:21 PM »
Just a bunch of ideas I've been having the last few months I figured I'd jot them down and share... even though it's a lot of psychobabble there's a few good ideas I think.



- An idea can spread through society the same way a virus spreads through a body. All that is needed is the right idea, the right structure of words, condensed into a single sentence, to ignite and inspire the synapses in the minds of all who read it. The banks can control the most primitive aspects of our minds, but without religion being forced onto the unconscious minds of children they will fail to control the one aspect that separates man from monkey; intellect.

- Every government holds domain over the creation of its currency and its laws. Since our brains are designed to seek reward and avoid fear, currency controls the reward center of our brain and laws control the fear center. In order to train a dog one needs to control reward and fear. But men are not dogs, we have a much more powerful component to our minds that no other animal has; intellect. And so whichever nation can best harness the intellect of the most men will dominate. In order to harness a man's intellect he needs to be corrupted before he becomes conscious. This is where religion comes into play. Religion is the ultimate corruption of an innocent mind. Religion takes away a child's freedom of thought, freedom to learn and discover. Religion gives dominance to the old and corrupt, and takes freedom away from the innocent.

- Religion is the reason why America became the superpower of the world.

- Let's face it; America has done a lot of bad things in order to remain in the top spot. Rather than empowering others they used manipulation, intimidation, lies and social tricks on their path to dominate the world. All in the name of capitalism and selfishness.

- The unconscious mind is formed during the first few years of life. This is like the main operating system of our behavior. If parents use intellect to teach their children it will raise their IQ. If parents use the fear/reward system it will lower IQ and intellectual abilities, and those children will likely join the military or police force or some other government department, as they will be incapable of thinking for themselves.

- Everything the government does is based on domination. A major part of this is keeping the masses in the dark and clueless. The TSA pat-downs have nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with forcing the populace to be submissive. The act of allowing government to put hands on you and your family is an act of complete submissiveness and it creates a precedent. I am 100% sure that the underwear bomber and shoe bomber and all the other failed terrorist attempts were the work of US and Saudi government undercover cooperatives sending stooges with faulty bombs onto planes.

- The internet is dominated by the intellectual alpha. Television was dominated by the social alpha. Social and intellectual alphas almost always clash, and all too often it is the social alpha who is in power. Only during times of hardship, revolutions, wars etc. do we see intellectual alphas climb to power. It is a struggle seen on the personal level as well; the more socially dominant someone is the less intellectually dominant they become. It is difficult to maintain the balance. It is one of the greatest challenges to become a leader in both domains.

- When leaders control the pleasure and fear centers in the brains of their subordinates, they gain incredible control of them. For example a government will reward submissive behavior with money and perks, and it will punish disobedient behavior with prison and fines. Religions and cults work under the same premise, using social acceptance as reward, and outcasting/isolation as punishment. Not to mention the whole Heaven and Hell thing.

- As leaders of the majority they are able to decide who to cast out from society and who to label as the enemy, and usually it is a very small minority that can be easily attacked and harassed. Israel uses the Palestinians. America uses drug users and other minorities.

- A government requires zero energy to create unlimited amounts of dollars. They then use domination, intimidation and manipulation to enslave entire populations; forcing the slaves to expend energy and waste their life trying to attain those dollars. That in turn adds value to those dollars. As a last resort,  when faced with an uprising or attempts to overthrow the government, they will use any physical force deemed necessary including imprisonment and other tactics (secret police, kidnapping, torture, assassinations, even chemical and biological weapons if need be). Computers just add insult to injury to this issue; turning the money that we all work so hard for into nothing more than numbers on a screen. It's like credits in a video game except it's real life.

- History repeats itself because humans are social animals that all think in a similar manner. The primitive part of our brain forces us to pursue reward and fight or flee from fear. People with knowledge of how to exploit the fear/reward system all too often use their knowledge to manipulate others. Fathers manipulate their children with fairy tales and religion. Governments manipulate society with money and politics.

- Every dictator says the same shit: “My country needs me to keep order and unity.” I've even heard a US senator say, in reference to why government is not more open, that “the American people don't know what they want. They don't know what's good for them”. In reality what they're saying is: “Please don't take away my golden palace and Bentley! Just let me run the show because I know what's right. But I'm gonna need a lot of money and power to enable me to create jobs and prosperity.”

- Whether it's a militant dictatorship or a democratically elected government, scumbags always find a way into power. The act of desiring to be in power kind of automatically makes you a scumbag really. So isn't there a way to keep humans out of power? Constitutional laws help, but even they can be changed. And why does another man have to represent me anyways? That's impossible unless he's been castrated.

- The internet will free us. Once we create an internet voting system we will be able to vote 24/7/365 in order to keep our representatives accountable. Or perhaps remove the “representative” altogether. Maybe we'll be able to represent ourselves for once. That would be true democracy.

- Everybody wants a free ride. Everybody wants to make a living by gambling on the stock market; gambling on the success and failure of other people's work. Everybody wants free money and free healthcare, free school and free daycare. Everybody wants a stress-free, work-free job. Everybody wants to do yoga and drink protein shakes so they can have the perfect body. Everybody wants to dominate and force the young and the poor to do all the labor. Everybody wants to be a boss. Everybody wants free dental, free vacations, free benefits, free perks. And nobody wants to pay for any of it.

- Obama = zombie apocalypse. Romney = nuclear armageddon.

- Why do people have children? Is it because they want to make a positive impact in the world? Or is it purely for personal gain? Reproduction is a necessity for the survival of the species and so our brains reward us accordingly. People with children are less likely to become addicted to drugs, food, sex, etc.  and more likely to become supervisors and managers at their workplace. Fathers and mothers become automatically dominant over their offspring and since we are all products of circumstance, that dominance trains the minds of the parent to become more assertive and authoritative. And since personality, ego, social conditioning are all memorized behaviors, when you have children you are less likely to become isolated and lose the memorized social behavior that is responsible for success in social settings.

- Poor people tend to reproduce faster than rich people.

- Power corrupts. When people get into a position of power they take up the belief that life is about domination. That is a spoiled view on life. Poor people have to worry about food, shelter and survival.

- The government has a monopoly on authority.

- We keep thinking that if we put a new king into power that it will solve all our problems. The problem is not the king, it's the throne. Burn the motherfucking throne. No man can represent another man, every man is in it for himself. Evolution has designed us to seek out self-gain and so everything we do is for our own benefit. Now that we have computers we could easily design a system without “representatives”. Let me vote for myself.

- As men age and gain power they tend to adopt a “dominate or submit” mentality (ie. hunt or be hunted etc.).

- An isolated man without an outside enemy will either become submissive or he will create a conflict (the enemy within?) in order to maintain a sense of dominance. Men can dominate themselves and self-destruct when isolated.

- Behaviors exhibited on the individual level are also observed on the national level because we are social animals; when we are in a group we think as a group.

- Before the Soviet Union collapsed they invaded Afghanistan in order to recapture a sense of dominance, to have something to fight for, and to stop the war within. Of course they failed and the Soviet Union collapsed within the decade. And we now see the same thing happening with the USA; creating outside enemies in order to avoid facing the truth and that there is a major internal struggle between Americans who want dominance and Americans who want freedom. America is obviously heading towards war with itself.

- Drugs do only as much damage as the amount of persecution received from the alpha and his subordinates (in our case the government). Smoking marijuana in 2012 does less damage than practicing witchcraft in 1692 Salem. Taking MDMA does less damage than being a Jew in 1944 Auschwitz. Drugs only damage the ego, it is the persecution from socially dominant leaders that ostracizes and isolates anyone who enjoys cannabis or MDMA as opposed to tobacco and alcohol. Being ostracized, isolated and persecuted can lead to further chemical and hormonal imbalances. As well as reduced cognitive abilities, abnormal behaviors and anti-social tendencies. Psychedelic drug use should be a prerequisite for leadership roles.

- Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. We come into the world powerless, with no knowledge, we start out innocent. As we age we gain knowledge. And since nature has required us to be capitalists in order for us to survive, all too often men in positions of power use their knowledge for their own gain and benefit, even if it is to the detriment of society as a whole. In fact that is really how those men got into power in the first place. The entire system is geared towards rewarding greed and punishing altruism.

- In the “two-slit” experiment we see that an electron has “free will”. It can choose between two paths but it cannot alter it's past or future. The future is represented by a probability wave which remains the same no matter what path the electron takes. Reality is based on math. Is free will an illusion?

- We now have the ability to create video games and movies. What if we could design characters who had the ability to question their reality and purpose?

- Government demands submission from all of it's citizens. Therefore the only way to become a dominant  male is to do so in the name of the government. If you are submissive to the government, everyone who you dominate will also be submissive to the government. It creates a pyramid of social dominance/hierarchy. And at this very special time in history, just as governments around the world are perfecting the art of forcing humans into submission via the use of psychological and financial tactics, the world is also waking up. Individuals are spending more time on the internet, outside the reach and influence of the social alpha (government) and individuals are starting to think for themselves. Individuals are becoming less social and more intellectual. This is happening on a massive scale and it could lead to a collapse. We know that the chimpanzee social hierarchy is completely based on social dominance. But we now have computers; tools of the gods. Do we really expect the monkey mind to be able to handle such power?

- It doesn't matter which nation is the alpha, the fact is that the most corrupt and manipulative nation takes the alpha position.

- A transition away from capitalism will be difficult and bloody. Communism weakens the populace and so the only way it will work is to remove any outside competition. Communism requires global domination.

- The human race acts as a whole in order to guarantee its survival and prosper. Men who work hard and fight hard are rewarded with dominance. Whoever works and fights the hardest becomes more dominant. There is however a way to circumvent and cheat this system. And that is by dominating younger and weaker humans. Dominance is a tangible thing, it can be measured hormonally and chemically in our bodies and minds. When too many of the old become too dominant over the young, it creates an imbalance and stresses out the human race as a whole.

- When a man competes with or dominates someone who is weaker than himself, it lowers his overall level of dominance and competitiveness. When a man competes with or dominates someone who is stronger than himself, it raises his overall level of competitiveness and dominance.

- When a man forces his children into submission those children will always be submissive to authority. When they grow into adults they will work within the system to gain dominance but always remain submissive.

- Christians believe their god gave his only son for the sins of mankind which is basically giving themselves permission to persecute other men for their own gain.

- Anyone who uses fiat currency is on Team Fiat. They don't even realize they are being submissive to whichever organization that controls the production and issuance of the currency.

- Currency controls our reward. Punishment controls our fear. Religion controls our intellect.

- If a father dominates his children it will weaken them and they will always fight to for dominance and control. If a father gives his children freedom it strengthens them and they will always fight to remain free.

- To become socially dominant someone else has to become socially submissive.

- Religion corrupts the child's mind for the parent's benefit.

- If you are submissive to the government then you become part of that “entity” or “group” and you won't have an issue with domestic spying and an all-seeing government. If you are not completely submissive to the government then you will have a problem with it, because it is an invasion of privacy from an outside “entity” or “group”. This is the basis for the “you're either with us or against us” mentality. You're either on Team Government or you're on Team Rebellion. Government will never give up power and influence, they only seek to gain more.

- Children need to be taken care of. Youth want freedom. Parents want a police-state or a nanny-state. Retirees want freedom. Elderly need to be taken care of. The cycle of life.

- We love the things that bring us pleasure and we hate the things that cause fear. We love our children because they bring us pleasure, happiness and a sense of dominance and control but social humans don't really care about the future. Intellectuals and people who actually care about the future are being starved by the masses of social humans.

- Scientists estimate that if the world economy continues at a growth of 3% per year, within 400 years the surface of the Earth would be at the boiling point of water. It's obvious that a correction is going to be made very soon.

- When police do television interviews they always look serious and stoic. They never smile, because they want domination. They want the citizens to fear them and view them as the authority so they simply play the role of the alpha male. This is how a 100lb female police officer is able to control male humans much larger than her. It is simply using behavioral tricks to deceive the monkey mind.

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Re: Vesp's Random Thoughts Thread.
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2012, 08:12:39 PM »
Some damn clever thinking in that post man. I like your p.l.o style.  ;D
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2012, 06:26:09 PM »
- Intellect can be controlled with religion, but it can also be controlled through the media as well as the education system.

- Anyone who is submissive to the government becomes a set of eyes and ears and hands that the government can exploit. A “drone” so to speak. By controlling reward, fear and intellect, the government is able to force it's citizens into submission and use them as pawns against anyone who is not submissive. Working for government fiat currency is an act of submission because the government creates it out of thin air.

- As more people refuse to become submissive to government oppression, crime rates will rise, prisons will fill, unemployment will rise and economies will collapse.

- You are either with the government or you are against them. As the “us vs. them” mentality becomes more contrasted, governments will turn to using electronic cameras, recording devices and drones in order to replace the biological ones.

- If you ever become submissive to another man's currency, or to another man's law, or to another man's god, then you deserve only the enslavement you will inevitably endure.

- Humans are capitalist by nature. Since government is made up of humans that means the government represents the government. They are not “public servants” because they are not subservient to the public. People need to dominate the government in order to gain representation. People need to stand up and unite against tyranny.

- America was founded on ideals and ethics that benefited the people. Battles were fought to guarantee freedom and equality for all. Gold was used as currency, to enable slow and steady growth. But at some point fiat currency became legal tender and was used to enable exponential economic growth, and give ultimate power to the government and central bank. The power involved in creating money from thin air will corrupt absolutely. Fiat requires zero energy to produce and therefore it is backed by human manipulation and domination. The creator of the fiat must trick billions of humans into believing that it has value. This is often done with a show of force (in other words: war).

- When a man has power over others it elevates and inflates his ego. At the highest levels of government, men are in positions so elevated above others that millions of people look and act like millions of ants. This is what enables presidents and dictators to murder thousands of people without batting an eye.

- During sleep our brain replays the important events/patterns of the day as a way of learning whatever is deemed important throughout the day. If an event during the day caused a high level of stress or fear then while we sleep it will be stored in our memory so that we can avoid that type of event in the future. The brain naturally tries to avoid stress and fear.

- Personality/ego is kind of like an onion. Our most recent learned behavior patterns form the outer layer; these can be peeled away with relative ease. At the core of the onion is our inner child/ego and this is formed during the first few years of life. American prisons, especially Guantanamo Bay and the CIA's secret prisons are being used as testing grounds to learn how to tear away the outer layers of personality and gain access to the main core of the ego and attempt to form and mold a submissive personality. The most widely used tactics include a combination of isolation and stress. Stress can be applied with many different techniques such as sleep deprivation, loud noises or prolonged knocking sounds, bright lights, verbal/psychological harassment, and of course torture techniques such as water boarding etc.

- Religion reinforces the ego by perpetuating the idea that we have souls or spirits or invisible ghosts that control our bodies. And that these souls are immortal. This is most often taught to young children and so it becomes part of their unconscious identity and ego.

- “Easy come easy go.” Free money weakens the populace and weakens the currency.

- “Do not send good money after bad.” Pumping trillions more dollars into a corrupted system of greed and hate will only make matters worse.

- Chemicals are responsible for many of our natural behaviors. Scientists who study the damage done by drugs do not take into account behavior changes. If exercise releases a reward chemical, and so does a certain drug, then it may be the lack of exercise that is causing the damage as opposed to the drug itself. In this sense the user is forced to use his intellect to take control of his/her own exercise regiment in order to stay healthy.

- Drugs can disrupt the natural chemistry in the brain and thus change natural behaviors. But in a way this takes the individual off of “autopilot” and forces the user to take control of their behavior, rather than just being a drone that is easily manipulated by others. This may be why certain drugs are used in “coming of age” ceremonies where children symbolically become adults. Governments will always outlaw drugs, because no government wants people to think for themselves.

- Leaders have historically demonized witchcraft because it takes control away from the leader. Nature is full of millions (billions?) of various chemicals in herbs, spices, plants, flora, etc. all of which may or may not change our natural behaviors. The conscious may need to then “take control” of it's own unconscious behavior.

- Marijuana releases reward chemicals and that may be why people who ingest marijuana are usually not as motivated to achieve financial success (and/or greedy and/or capitalistic). The government wants to control your reward center with their fiat money that only they can print. And they want you to be extremely greedy, selfish and capitalistic in order to increase the value of their fiat currency.

- Government also benefits from a greedy and selfish population because it facilitates their ability to infiltrate, disrupt and disband any anti-government groups, movements and organizations.

- Mind-altering drugs could very well be a necessity; as a catalyst to a revolution against unimpeded personal greed and selfishness.

- After spending several years in a federal prison I discovered that 80% of inmates were informants and 20% of inmates had no one to inform on. When facing 20 or 30 years in prison there's not much a man won't do to cut his sentence in half.

- A one-world state is inevitable but it won't be achieved through greed, domination and lies. It will be achieved by the majority of the world's population standing up and demanding freedom and equality, and uniting against oppressive governments.

- Testosterone increases masculinity and estrogen increases femininity. Men want sex and women want children. So most sexual dysfunctions are likely caused by imbalanced hormones. Imprisonment, isolation and inactivity will decrease testosterone and increase estrogen and so prisons are a major cause of many sexual dysfunctions in society. Not to mention mental dysfunctions.

- With great power comes great responsibility. A responsible father gives his children freedom and independence so that they can learn about life on their own and create their own beliefs. Irresponsible fathers force their beliefs onto their children and dominate their children.

- Government = Corporation. President = CEO. Dollar = Stock. If you work for a dollar created by another man (or group of men) you become a slave to that man (or group of men). If you work and get paid with gold or another nature-made metal then you are a slave to nature. Man did not design the human brain, nature did.

- If an animal is physically weak, fear becomes a requirement for survival. Humans have intelligence to counteract our physical weakness but we also have fear. As our bodies age and weaken our brains increase our level of fear. This is a leading cause of schizophrenia and paranoia especially among the elderly. Schizophrenia and paranoia can be cured with exercise, healthy diet and increased social activity.

- Since the elderly hold a lot of the wealth and power in society, if they become weak, frail and fearful they will demand an increase in policing and prison sentences.

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Re: Vesp's Random Thoughts Thread.
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2012, 11:18:04 PM »
Well il be dammed. My mate always goes on about alot of this sort of stuff and I chose to ignore it. I said though I would take note when someone put something intellectual down on one of the forums I visit of this calibre.

Keep it coming dopebee. This is a good read.
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Re: Vesp's Random Thoughts Thread.
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2012, 12:24:39 AM »
He also goes on alot about being a freemason. Being UK based I don't know the differences for this sort of behaviour in the law in different countries but my friend seems to think by becoming a freemason he does not have to pay government and police fines and can charge the police for their wasting his time when he gets stopped. I could go on. All manner of crazy shit. Some of it maybe. Alot of it though I find hard to believe. Anyone else know of any information in regards to the legitimacy of becoming a freemason? And what it allows you do it? It sounds like a dream.


They tell me about things as simple as not confirming you identity in a certain fashion can get you out of things. I say it's a load of bollox and will never work in the real world in real practise as the law is bent as fuck and the police don't give a shit half the time anyway no matter what shit you pull out. Out of sight out of mind. Different story when your in the back of a van getting your head kicked in off them whilst trying to pull some freemason crap on em. Not happening.

But then they talk about using the freemason style in court. And getting away with things also. By not conforming in a certain way.

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