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Bluebottle

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random ideas of indeterminate quality
« on: May 17, 2012, 01:55:46 AM »
O-methylation of paracetamol, hydrolysis of the amide, and gas phase reaction with glycol and a Cu/SiO2 catalyst might possibly be feasible to 5MeO indole. At least, Cu/SiO2 works for straight indole see http://www.imm.ac.cn/journal/ccl/1303/1303009-211-01-381-p2.pdf and mechanism http://www.scientific.net/AMR.287-290.120 it would stink though, if indole's reputation is to be trusted.

There also exists the fascinating title "Disproportionative Condensations. IV. The 3-Alkylation of Indoles by Primary and Secondary Alcohols" which leads me to suggest that glycol might be reacted with indole to form tryptophol, dimethylaminoethanol, and the product of an alkali metal in alcohol, iPOH likely, reduction of proline, and perhaps other interesting alcohols might be.

Epinephrine might be trimethylated at the phenols and beta-hydroxyl to something notable. http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/pdf/10.1139/v65-332 might be worth a read: "Adrenaline methyl ether... has recently been reported to produce considerable stimulation of the central nervous system; however, it was much less active than adrenaline peripherally (1, 2)." The trimethyl ether is also known, as seems to be the methylenedioxy.

The demethylation procedure of quaternary ammonium acetates is apparently well known, but is there public record of it having been tried on tryptamine? Dimethyl sulfate, while discouragingly poisonous, would have the advantage of forming gypsum with calcium acetate.

It probably wouldn't be feasible but I wonder if there's some way to derive racetams from povidone.

If anhydrous aluminum chloride sublimates at all easily, perhaps a thermite type reaction with a more easily dehydrated metal chloride would be easier than some of the other suggestions like gassing molten Al with chlorine.

Triclosan, the ubiquitous antibacterial, with some trouble might be converted with copper and lye to trihydroxybenzene, although the aryl chlorides might be unhealthful so longer reaction times and separation would be best.
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Re: random ideas of indeterminate quality
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2012, 08:49:19 AM »
hmmm quite interesting musings BB thanx for sharing them 8)

 sorry I don't have anything to add, at least at this stage :P

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If anhydrous aluminum chloride sublimates at all easily, perhaps a thermite type reaction with a more easily dehydrated metal chloride would be easier than some of the other suggestions like gassing molten Al with chlorine.

I don't understand what you are getting at here matey, would you care to elaborate a little for slow old fresh :D

cheers bluebottle

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Re: random ideas of indeterminate quality
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2012, 09:03:46 AM »
The anhydrous metalchlorides for use in FCs and else are prepared by venting chloride-gas into a bottle with a chlorinated solvent and the metal. A dash of a mercury salt will ensure the reaction starts and runs at RT. Cool the flask. So AlCl3, FeCl3 and SnCl4 are much more in reach. (regards to the Hyperlap for this, I tried with Sn in perchlorethylene and it worked perfect.

Nowadays I would not go for chlorine generation but use bromine instead what makes it simple and the bromides are more active too (most active being a mix of Al-halide and Fe-halide. But with bromine tin suffices for most reactions and avoids byproduct formation and often Zn does the job and when then it makes it cleaner.

Purification of all by short-path distillation/sublimation, just connect two RBs with a vacuum adaptor-bow fitted with a moisture guard.

Most of the rest you posted I donĀ“t really understand the why, it sounds so byzantine to me, but I am probably much to product orientated to see the beauty  8)

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Re: random ideas of indeterminate quality
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2012, 11:24:21 PM »
In the first post of "Exotic thermites & analogs" CuCl2+Al is described. Anhydrous AlCl3 must be a product, and if it could be captured efficiently, some people who might be paranoid about mercury or something, would have a source of AlCl3. and, Thanks Fresh, I appreciate the encouragement.

Fishinabottle, thank you too, I wouldn't have guessed bromine was superior! Restrictions on precursors are an interesting puzzle, and if anyone at all could cook up DMT with some byzantine measures and things innocuous as eggs, well, if that's not a better world at least it fucks up the prohibition.
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