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misgnomer77

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Where to start learning?
« on: May 28, 2012, 04:45:13 AM »
So its my dream to one day be able to synthesize the various chemicals which I can only read about that this point, the extreme exotics. The ones I'll never encounter otherwise.. Its been that way for too long, just a dream, always perfectly out of reach. I aim to change this, I want to learn enough and gain the competence to synthesize my own dream chemicals.

Where to start? I've read around a few threads on this site but the most of it is over my head. Where should an aspiring drug chemist begin his sponging up of chemistry knowledge? I'm going to take a chemistry class in the fall once I'm finished with my summer job, until then the internet and the library are my two resources of information.. Never did too great in high school, guess I have another shot at college then. Tips? Advice? Encouragement? Stories of individuals going from nada chemistry knowledge to synthesizing their own everything with ease?


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Re: Where to start learning?
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2012, 05:29:02 AM »
Grab a text book on Chemistry , first maybe a HS level one, then work your way to a topic inside general chemistry you enjoy. Don't spend money on a digital one, as there are hundreds free that are simply old versions - some impartial - but they are near complete and not too much has changed with basic chemistry in the past few decades anyhow.
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Re: Where to start learning?
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2012, 04:28:25 PM »
Look up organic chemistry survival manuals.

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Re: Where to start learning?
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2012, 05:36:29 PM »
Step 1 UTFSE  haha (Im not tryin to be mean)
step 2 use above method to join more general chem forums to ask basic questions rather than jump right into the deep end.
step 3 get utorrent if you dont all ready have it
step 4 variation on step 1.shhh its super secret http://torrentz.eu/search?f=chemistry
step 5 Dont waste that college course,soak it up.IMHO this alone will put you ahead of 25% of the posters on alot of chem forums.Formal training, molar math =invaluable. be a chemist not a cook.

specific recommendations not listed above
#1 practical organic chemistry,vogel,3rd edition not 5th
#2 organic chemistry as a second language,klein


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Re: Where to start learning?
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2012, 05:57:42 PM »
Like the Hive did in the past, the Collective has a newbee forum:

https://the-collective.ws/forum/index.php?board=144.0

and there's a fundamentals section at Science Madness:

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/index.php?gid=13

Some college would undoubtedly help but you're going to have to master organic chemistry to understand pharmacological synthesis  :)  You will need to devote most of your time to learning this discipline that's usually considered to the be the most difficult subject taught in universities  :P  Scientists are often feared by those who don't understand it, and sometimes loved by those that appreciate it's splendor  :-X  You will have to work very hard to achieve your goals  :)  You will have to master many different skills to practice this craft  8)

« Last Edit: May 28, 2012, 06:57:03 PM by lugh »
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Re: Where to start learning?
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2012, 07:49:15 PM »
well put lugh and so true 8)

the collectivee does have a good newbie section worth a look (for 3-4months!) ;)
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misgnomer77

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Re: Where to start learning?
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2012, 07:31:37 AM »
Thank you very much for the replies, very useful. Yes I know how to use a search engine lol just not sure what words would be pertinent to basic chemistry... Perhaps 'basic chemistry'? lol Was looking for more of what I ended up getting in the replies, thank you kindly sirs. This will be a fun summer filled with reading indeed :)

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Re: Where to start learning?
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2012, 01:58:39 PM »
You really have it lucky you know.Even without the schooling.Using BTclients I pulled enough high quality science related books and videos to last me years(and I did it in a week).And only the stuff I wanted,not everything I could.Videos,on lab technique, several,incredible.Just a few years back we had like 10% of whats available now.Incredible.

By the by is the collective hard to get into?I havent been approved yet
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Re: Where to start learning?
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2012, 02:08:56 AM »
Many named reactions are shown on Youtube.com, with a little work one can find specific reactions for near any situation and even optimizations for different scales.  Example: xww.youtube.com/watch?v=hlR3UWLyxEU  which shows many useful basic processes :)
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misgnomer77

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Re: Where to start learning?
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2012, 05:43:10 AM »
Kudos dream0n, the youtube suggestion was incredibly fruitful.. I now know what the fuck a reflux is haha :P

http://youtu.be/fHEk2WFgmXQ

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Re: Where to start learning?
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2012, 02:23:18 AM »
The vast amount of information out there might be overwhelming at first.

I find a good way to approach things is to pick a chemical of personal interest to you and then research its total synthesis.
At first you will hardly be able to follow the write-ups you find, but googling (or preferably using a search engine that doesn't hoard information like there's no tomorrow, such as Startpage) the new terms will soon see you picking things up at a nice pace.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Fenderson5555

His videos will go straight over your head but they're a cool intro none the less.

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Re: Where to start learning?
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2012, 03:13:31 AM »
I totally agree with wasabi said at first, the idea to obtain some fascinating chemicals can be motivation at its best, and after having success with obscure substances besides the usual stuff it will become more fascinating than you can imagine now. And then some day you will find yourself thinking three days straight about the same synthesis and you dont even mind it. And the fun is just getting started when you are able to adapt a total synthesis on which precursors are obtainable!
I wonder why people have to ask where they should start to learn? I have found myself deep in the learning progress someday, and i am still getting deeper into the whole thematic.
Just read what you can get, about that stuff that interests you most, and combine it with some easy practice like extractions this will also help to improve your basic understandig, and gives you on the other hand some easy achieved success, that helps to keep you motivated a lot!
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Re: Where to start learning?
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2012, 10:24:04 AM »
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I find a good way to approach things is to pick a chemical of personal interest to you and then research its total synthesis.

yeah great idea  It's always easier to learn about something fun ;)

and Wasabimon wow! those are some veerry interesting videos you linked  :o  honey for you the wasp with no posts! lol 

How come I never found anything like that searchin youtube?  ???
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