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Ethyl Bromide
« on: February 02, 2009, 05:28:34 AM »
Ethyl bromide is a clear, colorless liquid with a solvent-like smell much like that of ether. It is a potent ethylating agent, since it gives up the bromide easily. Whenever making this chemical, make sure to use ice cold water in any condensers. Don't use faucet water as it is usually not cold enough to efficiently condense ethyl bromide (Unless your faucet squeezes out ice cubes while its running). It is typically made from the action of a mixture of sulfuric acid and sodium bromide on ethanol or hydrobromic acid on ethanol. The latter will not be discussed as hydrobromic acid is extremely hard to get.

The reaction proceeds as follows:

H2SO4 + NaBr ----> HBr + NaHSO4

HBr + C2H5OH ----> C2H5Br + H2O

So ultimately:

H2SO4 + NaBr + C2H5OH ----> C2H5Br + NaHSO4 + H2O

Into the 1000ml flask, pour 50mls of ethanol. To this add 95grams of sodium bromide and swirl it to even distribute it. Measure out 100ml of concentrated sulfuric acid, and add 100ml of distilled water to it. This is very exothermic, so employ cooling during. Once the dilute sulfuric is sufficiently mixed, begin cooling it in the fridge or on an ice bath. It would also be wise to cool the flask of alcohol and sodium bromide. Once both are below room temperature, slowly add the dilute sulfuric into the 1000ml flask. You must go very slow, or else you will oxidize the bromine right out of the sodium bromide, which will cause a reduction in yield. It should take you anywhere from 10-30 minutes, the slower the better. A light tint of red or yellow is okay. Swirl it around constantly during the addition (or equip it with a magnetic stirrer). Once it has all been added, place it in a water bath, and attach a reflux condenser to the flask. Begin heating the water bath, and start running water through the condenser Be sure to note that ethyl bromide has an extremely low boiling point. Nothing less than the coldest water possible should be used, otherwise your product will simply boil away. To give you an example, hot water from a faucet will most certainly boil this. Reflux this for 1 hour. After this time, remove it from the oil bath (carefully) with the water still running. Let the air cool it down until it is no longer boiling.

If you have a separate flask for distillation, transfer it once it has stopped boiling. Do not let it cool to room temperature if you are transferring flasks. Make sure it has stopped boiling, as the ethyl bromide vapors are nasty for you. If you don't have to transfer flasks, then simply set it up for simple distillation Heat it with a water bath, keeping the bath at about 80C. The receiving flask should be kept in ice water, to minimize loss due to evaporation. Eventually, there will be an obvious clear layer above a milky white layer. Once it is mostly water coming over, stop the distillation. Add this to a separatory funnel, and shake it with distilled water - venting on occasion. Hang it upright and prepare a sodium bicarbonate solution. Remember, the bottom layer in the separatory funnel is the one you want. Drain the bottom layer off into your receiving flask, then dispose of the top water layer. Add the ethyl bromide to the separatory funnel and add the sodium bicarbonate solution to it. Shake it well, venting often. Drain and then repeat with distilled water once more.

Clean up your distillation set-up at this time. Use soap and water to get it all out, then rinse it with 96% ethanol. The ethyl alcohol will take most of the water out of the system. Once most of the alcohol has drained out, set it up for simple distillation one last time. Add a small amount of anhydrous magnesium sulfate to the distillation flask, and drain the lower ethyl bromide layer into the flask. Swirl it around, then begin heating it on a water bath. Keep the water bath below 50C and distill it dry. Yes, dry. There will be residual ethyl alcohol left in there, to keep it from actually becoming dry, since that boils at 78C. Keep the flask on the heat until nothing more drips from the condenser This is now your ethyl bromide. Store it in a fridge, or freezer. It evaporates very quickly. Theoretical yield. is 90g, I obtained roughly 50ml, which is equivalent to 73.5g, so a nice 82% yield.

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Re: Ethyl Bromide
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 11:52:24 PM »
would the easiest method of making ethyl iodide be to mix ethanol with iodine and then bubble H2S into it? I know hydrogen sulfide is oxidized by iodine to produce hydrogen iodide and sulfur. The HI would then just react with the ethanol present and produce ethyl iodide, correct?

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Re: Ethyl Bromide
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2009, 09:06:18 PM »
The easiest? Maybe if you have a good source of H2S.  Sulfides are expensive for me, and the paraffin/sulfur method ruins flasks.  However, I do believe that would work, since it would generate the HI in situ, which would react with the ethanol upon distillation (IIRC).

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Re: Ethyl Bromide
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2009, 04:50:36 AM »
Sulfides expensive?
 Hmm i guess maybe. But one would assume that if someone looked for scrape iron pyrite that they could get it cheep cheep. I know of some other ways to generate from sulfates but ill look for a refrence before I post because H2S hasnt been a priority on my mind. When you work getto you learn to avoid instadeath.... you know.

Have you attempted to react it with sodium nitrite? I hear the bromide is a bitch at times, but a great source of nitroethane can't be beat.

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Re: Ethyl Bromide
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2009, 09:27:11 PM »
Yes, DMSO doesn't work.  I've heard DMF works, but not DMSO.  I have actually tried multiple methods at producing nitroethane to no avail.  The silver nitrite + Et2O needs to be extremely dry, and I didn't source out molecular sieves until after I ditched the nitroethane project.  I also didn't want to waste my sodium on drying the ether.  I've also made a scaled down industrial gas phase propane nitration system.  The reaction tube I was using was cheap soda glass, and it would crack at the edges, which would cause it to blow up because of the propane/HNO3 vapors - very funny/cool looking and I got some weird ass looks from my neighbors, but I never obtained any nitroethane this way.  At some point, I'll try to source out some DMF and retry the EtBr/NaNO2 method.

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Ethyl Bromide synthesis.
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2009, 02:42:18 AM »
Ethylbromide AKA Bromoethane is a useful alkylating agent and is also a precursor for the synthesis of Nitroethane which makes it handy to have around at time.

Synthesis is based around 53 grams of NaBr that I got at Wal-mart

Molar Weights of reactants:

NaBr  Molar mass 102.894 g/mol  ---  52 / 102.894 = .5150 or 51.5%

H2SO4  Molar mass 98.08 g/mol  * .5150= 50.5112 grams
 
EtOH  Molar mass 46.07 g/mol * .5150 = 23.726


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C2H5Br Molar mass 108.97 g/mol * .5150 = 56.1195 Theoretical yeild

H2O Molar mass 18.01528(33) g/mol  * .5150 = 9.277

NaHSO4 Molar mass 120.06 g/mol

Reaction:

NaBr + H2SO4 = NaHSO4 + HBr
HBr + EtOH = EtBr + H2O


In the prep excess H2SO4 and EtOH are used to ensure consumption of the NaBr and subsequent conversion to HBr.

23.67ml or in other terms 30 grams of EtOH was placed into a cold water bath and 130 grams of 44% H2SO4(Liquid Lightning MSDS) was added slowly via dropper syringe over a 10 minute period inorder to keep the heat down.


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While waiting for the flask to once again reach ambiant temperatures 53 grams of Sodium Bromide(Brom Start MSDS) was weighed out and prepared for addition.


After evolution of heat some 15 minutes later or so the flask was placed in an ice bath followed by the slow addition of Sodium Bromide. The mixture quickly took on a red orange color with some Sodium Bromide resting on the bottom.


The flask was allowed to set for 15-20 minutes and the arranged for simple distillation.



The reciever flask was filled about a quarter of the way full of cold spring water and as you can see in the picture above the recieving flask was placed in an icebath as to not allow the formed Ethyl Bromide to evaporate.

After reaching 58*C at the still head the formed Ethylbromide started to distill over pretty rapidly and the contents of the flask boiled rapidly. The EtBr droped to the bottom of the reciever with a milky white color. This was sustained for about 25 minutes at which point the rapid frothy boiling stopped and the color of the mixture was not noticebly darker. The sound the boiling made now was completely different and unusual. Everytime a bubble would form it would do so with a sharp tinny sound to it. It sounded as though it was being boiled in a metal container but I think this may due to the EtBr forming and rapidly vaporizing in the solution resulting in the strange sound because the bubbles where forming in the middle of the flask instead of around the sides like normal. It was at this point that the distillate started to take on a slightly orange tinge to it and the distillate took on a dirtier look to it no doubt carrying some EtOH with it as it made the top H2O layer slightly milky looking until more H2O was added to crash the EtBr out. The remainant of the reaction vessle has now lightened to a pale shade of yellow/orange and after cooling the Sodium hydrosulfate crystalized filling up the vessle.

After about 45 minutes to an hour the distilling was stopped because a bad lightning storm was comming and I am working right next to a large open garage door. The distillate was noticed to be only slightly more dirty the the first half of distilling so I just decided to mix both together. This is where one of the notable things happened. When the two distilling flask where added together as soon as the cloudy EtBr hit the air it would release puffs of dense white vapors with the consistancy of smoke. Im pretty sure that its HBr fumes after watching the final product clear up after sitting for an hour.

The yeild prepurification yeilded roughly 30ml or 44.1 grams equaling 78.5% yeilds with more then likely a small amount still in the mother liquid of slightly milky white EtBr with exact weight still to be determined.


Discussion:
This took maybe 3-4 hours total including breaks and allowing the reactions to reach ambiant temperatures before moving on so all and all I think this is a nice little synthesis.

I performed this to mainly practice for the bromination of ethylene glycol and the formed Dibromoethane will be added to (aq)NH3 to synthesis EthyleneDiamine which is able to perform the birch reaction at room temperatures and is recoverable after the reduction. Even though most think I want to perform the birch to reduce EDA I really want it as a solvent for NH3 to synthesis Lithium amide.

Since I now have roughly 44 grams of Bromoethane I may as well use it to synthesis some Nitroethane though what do you think.
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Re: Ethyl Bromide synthesis.
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2009, 05:01:35 AM »
Nice job, your setup is pretty ghetto.

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Re: Ethyl Bromide synthesis.
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2009, 05:37:32 AM »
Pretty and Getto ;D. Yes its very getto. I have many hobbys chemistry is just my flavor of the month so to speak. I have built so many things tinkering its unreal so when it comes time to start getting into chemistry again may as well build myself a working lab. I manage to make getto work pretty well for me but it is a hassle that different synthesis require different equipment at times due to reactivity with say copper condensers compaired to plastic ect...ect...

I'm to that point where I do want a nice setup though but at the moment I have higher priorities and can not afford the setups that I want and I do not want to spend money on cheep equipment... Hell I can make cheep equipment myself :)

This is a very easy prep for anyone that takes the time to work the ratios out before hand and my hardest problem of all was handling the EtBr on a hot summer day. Other then that this runs smoother then a babys bottom and thats with my equipment so im sure alot of you out there could make this synthesis just speed right along with ease.

Dibromoethane reacts with (aq)NH3 to form EDA*(HBr)2. This should react as well in a simular manner to create Ethylamine*HBr I would think and oxidation of this would yeild Nitroethane. Why do people mess with low yeilding Nitroethane synthesis that generate alot of Ethyl Nitrate when this in theory should produce a much purer product?
I would also think that on the same note MeBr could be made just like this yet being a gas feed directly into NH3 solution to yeild clean MeNH2*HBr.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?
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Re: Ethyl Bromide synthesis.
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2009, 07:09:31 AM »
How do you plan to oxidize the amino group? With most oxidants (like KMnO4) they are just oxidized to an imine or a nitrile, unless it is a tertiary amine.

Edit: the best thing to do would be to aminate with hydroxylamine and then oxidize that to the nitro compound with Oxone.
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Re: Ethyl Bromide synthesis.
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2009, 09:44:14 AM »
Wow!  Seriously awesome write up sedit, this is great work! I'm impressed, but man I gotta tell you, I wish I could get you some nice glassware, though it seems like you're pretty good at improvising. I love your idea to make nitroethane this way, I think it will work also, so great thinking!

KMnO4 would probably work wonders to turn ethylamine into nitroethane

The MeBr idea isn't bad either for making MeNH2 it sounds pretty easy its just a shame these are toxic alkylating agents.

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This can be carried out either by bubbling hydrogen chloride gas through boiling methanol with or without a zinc chloride catalyst, or by passing combined methanol and hydrogen chloride vapors over an alumina catalyst at 350 °C.

The idea of having refluxing MeOH with HCl gas going into it and then having the formed MeCl react with an NH3 solution seems like something that'd be fun to try but perhaps not extremely practical - though it might be a very OTC method of MeNH2
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Re: Ethyl Bromide synthesis.
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2009, 03:01:25 PM »
Wow!  Seriously awesome write up sedit, this is great work! I'm impressed, but man I gotta tell you, I wish I could get you some nice glassware, though it seems like you're pretty good at improvising. I love your idea to make nitroethane this way, I think it will work also, so great thinking!

KMnO4 would probably work wonders to turn ethylamine into nitroethane

The MeBr idea isn't bad either for making MeNH2 it sounds pretty easy its just a shame these are toxic alkylating agents.

Thank you. I wish I could get me good glass also but I make due.

I have heard other state to use KMnO4 to oxidise Ethylamine but Enkindu stated that KMnO4 would take it to the imine or nitrile. Personaly I do not know.

As far as the MeBr idea if the reaction proceeds the way I believe it would there would not be much risk associated with the alkylating agents because they would be converted to Methylamine salts before exiting the reaction. Also MeBr can be stored in alcohol solution as it holds a large amount. After this H2O can be driped in releasing a steady stream of Methyl halogens by decreasing the solubility of them in the solution.

Theres only one way to tell and when I get every thing cleaned up theres no reason for me not to try and test it with the EtBr I have. If things goes as planed I should be able to dry the solution leaving behind EtNH2*HBr. If that works theres no reason that MeNH2 couldn't be synthesis the same way.

I would not use MeCl as the yeilds are lower for that then MeBr as I understand so it would be as simple as setting up a gas generator with H2SO4/MeOH and a concetrated solution of NaBr dripped in. As the NaBr is consumed and MeBr boiled off it will push the reaction forward rather rapidly releasing a stream of MeBr as long as the NaBr is feed into the reaction.
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Re: Ethyl Bromide synthesis.
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2009, 06:47:00 PM »
Of course you'd have to worry about the H2SO4 oxidizing the formed HBr to Br2, which could cause problems. HCl while giving lower yields, is less likely to give problems like that, and NaCl is much more available then NaBr. I guess it really gets down to how low is low when it comes to the yields of MeCl?

As for oxidation of ethyl amine...

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Method 8:   oxidation of ethyl amine to nitroethane with dimethyldioxirane

A new synthesis of nitro compounds using dimethyldioxirane(DMDO)
Tetrahedron Letters,Vol.27,No.21,pp 2335-2336,1986

Abstract: Dimethyldioxirane oxidizes primary amines to nitro compounds in a facile, mild, high yield process.

Here we report that aliphatic and aromatic primary amines are rapidly and efficiently oxidized to nitro compounds by dimethyldioxirane, DMDO.   Indeed a survey of some general methods for the preparation of nitro compounds (2) suggests to us that the use of DMDO may be the method of choice.   The conditions used are exceedingly mild and give the nitro compound as a solution in acetone.   Table 1 summarizes our results with some representative amines.

Table 1.   Oxidation of amines with Dimethyldioxirane(DMDO) (modified to fit)
Amine ==> Product = Yield (%)
n-Butylamine ==>1-Nitrobutane = 84%
sec-Butylamine ==> 2-Nitrobutane = 81%
tert-Butylamine ==> 2-Methyl-2-nitrobutane = 90%



In a typical reaction n-butylamine (0.052g; 0.7 mmol) in 5 ml of acetone was treated with 95 ml of DMDO, in acetone solution (ca 0.05M)(4) The solution was kept at room temperature for 30 min. with the exclusion of light.   Analysis of the reaction mixture by capillary GC indicated the presence of l-nitrobutane only.   The oxidations are believed to occur by means of successive oxidations by,1.   In the aniline case the blue color of the nitroso conpound is observed immediately upon adding the solution of DMDO.   In separate experiments we have shown that both phenylhydroxylamine and nitrosobenzene are readily oxidized to nitrobenzene by DMDO.   The blue color of intermediate nitroso compound was observed in all of the amine oxidations.

Dimethyldioxirane is a powerful oxygen atom donor, which oxidizes a variety of substrates 'including hydrocarbons'.   Work is continuing on the oxidation of nitrogen-containing compounds by DMDO.

1.   Chemistry of Dioxiranes.   5.   Paper 4 of this series is J.   Am.   Chem.   Soc., in press (1986).
2.   H.   O.   Larson in The Chemistry of the Nitro and Nitroso Groups, H.   Feuer, Ed., J.   Wiley and Sons.   N.   Y.   1969.
4.   The concentration of,DMDO in acetone was determined by titrating an aliquot with phenyl methyl sulfide.   The synthesis of DMDO has been described (5).
5.   R.   W.   Murray and R.   Jeyaraman, J.   Org.   Chem., (50) 2847 (1985).
Dioxiranes:synthesis and reactions of methyldioxiranes.
J.   Org.   Chem.(1985),50(16),2847-53.

Abstract

The peroxymonosulfate-acetone system produces dimethyldioxirane under conditions permitting distn. of the dioxirane from the synthesis vessel.   The same conditions were used to prep. other methyldioxiranes.   Solns. of dimethyldioxirane prepd. in this manner were used to study its chem. and spectroscopic properties.   The caroate-acetone system was also used to study the chem. of in situ generated dimethyldioxirane.cis- And trans-stilbenes were converted stereospecifically to the corresponding epoxides with dimethyldioxirane in acetone.
-- http://designer-drugs.com/pte/12.162.180.114/dcd/chemistry/nitroethane.html

I figure this way is not only high yielding, being in at least the 80%s, but it is also very OTC considering acetone and oxone are the important materials.
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Re: Ethyl Bromide
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2009, 02:35:43 AM »
I forgot all about this threed Doucherman. Im going to merge my other threed on the same topic.
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2009, 02:52:54 PM »
Excellent work! But can HI not be made via H2SO4 and KI? IIRC KI is easily available. Something to do with photography. So theoretically a H2SO4 and KI mix with the EtOH added COULD work out. But IDK, I probably forgot some little technical detail somewhere :P

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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2009, 04:11:53 PM »
H2SO4 can also act as an oxidising agent and in doing so takes NaI or KI all the way to I2 by oxidation of the formed 2HI to I2 reducing yeilds to something terrible. In order to synthesis EtI thru these means one needs to use H3PO4 to synthesis the HI from NaI as H3PO4 does not act this way on HI.

I have considered the addition of gasous HCl into the mixture in an attempt to convert the NaI to HI which should work but it would be a bitch because the equlibrium of the reaction is pushed forward by the distillation of EtBr or EtI from the mixture. This to me seems like it could prove to be an annoying problem because if all the NaI was not converted to HI and NaCl you will be left with low yeilds when running into the distillation.
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Re: Ethyl Bromide
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2009, 04:30:32 PM »
Excellent work! But can HI not be made via H2SO4 and KI? IIRC KI is easily available. Something to do with photography. So theoretically a H2SO4 and KI mix with the EtOH added COULD work out. But IDK, I probably forgot some little technical detail somewhere :P

Sulfuric acid will oxidize the iodide salt to iodine. Phosphoric acid would work.
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2009, 04:38:49 PM »
Strange. In chemistry class we had to use another oxidizer (KIO3) to liberate iodine from the KI in H2SO4. The H2SO4 used was very dilute though, so its oxidizing properties may have been 'killed' by the large quantity of water.

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Re: Ethyl Bromide
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2009, 05:43:05 PM »
IIRC Sulfuric acids oxidation properties never really present them selfs to much until it reaches concentrations above 70%. Never the least for a synthesis such as this you do not want to waste product thru oxidation.

This same effect can be seen with bromine to a lesser extent and that is the reason that 43% H2SO4 was used as opposed to concentrated H2SO4 I used in prior test runs. This acts two fold in preventing the oxidation of the HBr formed and also prevents the HBr from boiling out of the reaction by keeping it in solution where it can react forming Ethylbromide.
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