dmt from phalaris, or the legend of sysiphus
« on: June 25, 2012, 05:08:36 PM »
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tryl
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carl_nnabis
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Re: dmt from phalaris, or the legend of sysiphus
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2012, 10:55:56 PM »
as these data indicates, yes it is for real.
see, the problem about phalaris weed is not if there is dmt or is not in it at all. it is to find the needed species, as there are hundreds of exactly similiar looking ones that are genetically not the least bit related, but because of convergent evolution they are nearly impossible to differentiate from each other...
and that argument is even true for the experienced botanist
but maybe it will be successful if someone is crawling through his local woods equipped with a bit of Ehrlich´s Reagent and some good identification manual guide for local plants out of the library?
this is at least what i would do
see, the problem about phalaris weed is not if there is dmt or is not in it at all. it is to find the needed species, as there are hundreds of exactly similiar looking ones that are genetically not the least bit related, but because of convergent evolution they are nearly impossible to differentiate from each other...
and that argument is even true for the experienced botanist
but maybe it will be successful if someone is crawling through his local woods equipped with a bit of Ehrlich´s Reagent and some good identification manual guide for local plants out of the library?
this is at least what i would do tryl
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Re: dmt from phalaris, or the legend of sysiphus
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2012, 05:39:12 PM »
arundinacea and brachysachys, being endemic/invasive species, aren't really that difficult to identify.
and where you stumble upon it, it's fields.
problem with it is more like the varying alk content. a bit of a hit and miss, from half a kilo you might get some 30-40mg, you might get above 100, or you might get nearly nothing.
stressing it does wonders. peel the leaves and deal with them as they store most DMT, and when they regenerate, % increases quite a bit.
habitat and environment also play a role, as well as when harvesting fresh either preserving them in alcohol, or straight away pulverize and basify, as the still active enzymes lower the DMT.
look acacias... they are some more than 1000 species, a lot of them look the same, or same look different depending on life cycle stages..
and where you stumble upon it, it's fields.
problem with it is more like the varying alk content. a bit of a hit and miss, from half a kilo you might get some 30-40mg, you might get above 100, or you might get nearly nothing.
stressing it does wonders. peel the leaves and deal with them as they store most DMT, and when they regenerate, % increases quite a bit.
habitat and environment also play a role, as well as when harvesting fresh either preserving them in alcohol, or straight away pulverize and basify, as the still active enzymes lower the DMT.
look acacias... they are some more than 1000 species, a lot of them look the same, or same look different depending on life cycle stages..
tryl
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Re: dmt from phalaris, or the legend of sysiphus
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2012, 05:43:48 PM »
IMO, most viable option is to get some brachystachys & AQ1 seeds, indoor grow and harvest the fresh leaves regularly, juice them, STB.
oomsmog
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Re: dmt from phalaris, or the legend of sysiphus
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2012, 04:47:34 PM »
would gramine come with the dmt if one would do stb with nafta?and with d-limonene?
and why or why not?
and why or why not?
dream0n
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Re: dmt from phalaris, or the legend of sysiphus
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2012, 07:05:33 PM »
That is a solubility question easily answered by searching the nexus, also perhaps more interesting is that this [ wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Psychedelic_Alkaloids_Chemical_and_Physical_Properties#Gramine ] states insoluble in water and ether while dmt is soluble in ether, but likewise insoluble in water.
antibody2
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Re: dmt from phalaris, or the legend of sysiphus
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2012, 08:14:10 PM »
Seeds are not the way to go, you need clones to guarantee having the same dmt content as the parent plant.
oomsmog
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Re: dmt from phalaris, or the legend of sysiphus
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2012, 08:35:07 PM »
it would be easy to preform a crude extraction with nafta and then more acurate with ether
i have only heard of ether disolving dmt, never read or heard of any one using it in extraction,
is there a reason why,would it work just as well in a stb instead of nafta
ether seems to be a group of organic compounds, mostly diethyl- or dimethylether,
they seem to form peroxide in contact with air.
i suppose this would be diethyl- or dimethylperoxide,
would this just evaporate after crystalizing?
i have only heard of ether disolving dmt, never read or heard of any one using it in extraction,
is there a reason why,would it work just as well in a stb instead of nafta
ether seems to be a group of organic compounds, mostly diethyl- or dimethylether,
they seem to form peroxide in contact with air.
i suppose this would be diethyl- or dimethylperoxide,
would this just evaporate after crystalizing?
tryl
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Re: dmt from phalaris, or the legend of sysiphus
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2012, 04:04:22 PM »
hot naptha leaves gramine behind, that's it.
tested.
if you actually wanna know why, do your research, i dont have the time for it.
tested.
if you actually wanna know why, do your research, i dont have the time for it.
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