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bizzybees

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MDMA Salt = Type of Buzz = Pills
« on: August 11, 2012, 02:31:28 PM »
Hello All

Was just wondering if anyone could shed any light on the various salt options when completing final process of M**A freebase to salt.

I do remember there being some stuff on the hive about this but remember the info being a bit vague.

Seems product produced as molly powder is usually HCl but was considering possible alternatives:

Acetate
Tartrate
Phosphate
Citrate
Sulfate

I pick up scattered info that the salt can have a big difference on the overall feeling / high. Some more intense or long lasting than others.

I have seen various reports of Phosphate being used in various forensic reports etc.

Im not sure how the salt would effect the crystal formation but it was more the final user effect that was of interest.
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Re: MDMA Salt type?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2012, 03:38:30 PM »
the different salts can be better or lesser water soluble which is important for the time in which the mdma is absorbed by your body. So this is a great aspect in my opinion which leads to a faster or slower "kick".

Also some of them are hygroscopic which is a really badass to store.

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Re: MDMA Salt type?
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2012, 11:29:34 AM »
Some of the salts being hygroscopic is a valid point.

I assume being non hygroscopic and stability is the main reason for HCL selection.

If we were talking press rather than crystal would it be more plausable to introduce a hygroscopic salt?

Filler and binder the hygroscopic nature wouldnt be such an issue right?

stuff here I would described as 'dancey' and 'mellow'. Different ones feel very different. Confirmed by many other users.

http://www.saferparty.ch/tl_files/download/file/Warnungen%20PDF%202011/MDMA_hoch_NovemberB_2011.pdf

I know their are all from the same lab.

I assume this is the salt type selected on each type?

Possibley a different batch cleaned or crystalled in a slightly different way but less likely.

Is there a certain salt for different effects?


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Re: MDMA Salt type?
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2012, 12:42:32 AM »
Well fuck me... i wish we had 180-200mg mdma pills in oz life would be grand, gone are them there days mate ..any way i find pure mdma to be kinda mellow  the rush seems to come with the addition of mda.... balls to the wall as they say...bring on them days again... 8)

bizzybees

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Re: MDMA Salt type?
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2012, 03:28:33 PM »
The thing is they dont have MDA in them or any other adulterant.

http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=2596

This one is balls to the wall. Others from same lab are mellow.

I figured Isomer Seperation/Crystalisation technique/Salt?

Salt seems to be the most simple and practical solution.

Isomer seperation would be a total bitch.
Crystal styles I cant see having that much impact + all the variety around its hassle.

salt seemed the most practical answer?


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Re: MDMA Salt = Type of Buzz = Pills
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2012, 08:34:57 AM »
Quote from: bubble on August 11, 2012, 03:38:30 PM
the different salts can be better or lesser water soluble which is important for the time in which the mdma is absorbed by your body. So this is a great aspect in my opinion which leads to a faster or slower "kick".

Also some of them are hygroscopic which is a really badass to store.


This. Sulfate salt of MDA for example is way too hygroscopic to handle and store.
It is perhaps the narcotic. Hyoscine affects certain people very oddly. One cannot be sure. Sometimes, these cases take strange forms. The victim becomes in a sense, 'mediumistic', a vehicle for all the intangible forces in operation around her.

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Re: MDMA Salt = Type of Buzz = Pills
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2012, 09:55:05 AM »
Do you think MDMA Sulfate would work okay in a pill?

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Re: MDMA Salt = Type of Buzz = Pills
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2012, 11:40:50 PM »
All the salts are hygroscopic, including hydrochlroide. Add a little water and see what a bitch it is to remove.... I'd stick with hcl. I tried citrate on a big batch and it was a mess. By time I got things cleaned up I'd find out that the citrate is not any better, just fat soluble so is suppose to last longer..... Oh and the other real big huge thing is with hcl you can be real cavalier with the workup since any excess is just evaporating off. Not so with citrate, citric acid is a solid and will pollute your final product in a big way if you are not careful with the workup and pay close attention to the pH. With hcl I can add excess to make sure I get every last bit of freebase, with citric you have to add just the right amount or less. Nothing wrong with eating citirc acid but thats not what people want.
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Re: MDMA Salt = Type of Buzz = Pills
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2012, 03:28:10 PM »
I was reading a lot about out there are a good amount of guys fans of disolve the pure mdma on lttle amounts red wine,to get a more massive and quick high.i was doing that latelly when i roll,and can say the high is way better than consuming it on bombs and snorting.red wine it's known because tartaric acid content,and citric acid too.That guys tell to that thing doesn't work with other alcohol drinks.some webs advice too they sell mdma tartrate as a twice potent stuff than hcl salt...and too lot pharmaceutical forma uses tartrate ar the salt,like zolpidem,and don't belive only because higroscopy.i read too are lots fans that do mdma+zolpidem :).i have to try that.
   I will try to made some tartrate disolving mdma hcl salt on methanol with equimolar d-l tartaric acid a let cold slowly to try to get some mdma tartrate not much pure but fine to try it.:).the giant rocks tartaric acid make alone ,like 20 grams,allways make me think about what kind crystals you can make with tartaric acid usind both isomers

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Re: MDMA Salt = Type of Buzz = Pills
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2012, 05:39:22 PM »
alot of my friends swear by dissolving their planned dose into a shot and taking it that way makes it hit harder and faster. 

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Re: MDMA Salt = Type of Buzz = Pills
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2012, 07:05:05 PM »
I've only tried the HCL and acetate so far but acetate was longer lasting but a bit more mellow compared to HCL (on a mg/mg base).

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Re: MDMA Salt = Type of Buzz = Pills
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2012, 08:37:30 PM »
Quote from: sassa on September 06, 2012, 03:28:10 PM
I will try to made some tartrate disolving mdma hcl salt on methanol with equimolar d-l tartaric acid a let cold slowly to try to get some mdma tartrate not much pure but fine to try it.:).the giant rocks tartaric acid make alone ,like 20 grams,allways make me think about what kind crystals you can make with tartaric acid usind both isomers
this wont work, as hydrochloric acid is much stronger than is tartaric. youll have to use the freebase instead of the HCl salt.
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Re: MDMA Salt = Type of Buzz = Pills
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2012, 11:54:29 PM »
yeah,i was thinking about that,but have all my toys and chemicals waiting on a room for another season now.:(.
  Have you in mind any easy straight method to go to the saltrate salt without going into the freebase?
  I think disolving some mdma hcl salt with a little more than needed tartaric acid ,and then let cold to room temp slow,will sure make a little quantity of tartrate,...because i think tartrate amine salt it´s way less soluble than tartaric acid on dry methanol or IPA,..possibly some hcl will go into to,..but thought it will be marginal..and will be hard to crystallize if alcohol solution it isn´t very concentrated.
  The doubt i had was if excess tartaric acid will precipitate or not when methanol will be at room temp,..and sure if i freeze the methanol afterwards,..Possibly better try with tartaric acid alone and see how works,...but for example,....mdma hcl don´t form crystals quickly at all on a single methanol solution if it isn´t  saturated and very cold...so because tha, i dreamed will not crystalize the mdma hcl and only the mdma tartrate,....but solubilities are confusing here,...and not much information out there about preparing amine tartrates....All info i recovered come from enantiomer resolution using tartaric,and of course they use the freebase on methanol.
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