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making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« on: August 26, 2012, 02:09:08 AM »
it works i did 900 pills and 16 ml p-anhydride 5% sodium acetate and a sealed vessel usual conditions 100 c 3 hours evap the anhydride with a bow dryer that was it.
i did extract afterwards but parenteral administration worked great
i just felt so content laying in bed that's how it affected me,
so there you go easy peasy sodium acetate is not a toxin
« Last Edit: August 26, 2012, 02:37:45 AM by jon »

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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 08:17:19 AM »
How does propionyl loperamide stack up to morphinan-based analgesics?

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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2012, 01:01:14 AM »
what size dose were you taking jon, and how would you rate its potency/euphoria to say morphine/oxycodone

 as close as you could say in mgs?

900 pill = about 1.8 gms right?

Did you weigh your first extraction?

 how much did you lose through various means?

very interesting idea!


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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2012, 02:19:14 AM »
i'd say it's better than oxycodone but the euphoria dries up quicly and you wind up with a methadone buzz if you catch my drift that euphoria never lasts.
i don't care what opiate you mess around with.
it's a lot cleaner than morphinan analgesics it's less side effects zero nasuea it's just very clean feeling.
i did it because i was in a hurry and i wanted to proove it would work.
i later extracted it out but it works on just straight pill mass.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2012, 02:21:25 AM by jon »

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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2012, 12:22:12 AM »
Does it provide a rush when used IV? In toady's experience, oxycontin or IR oxy doesn't...second thoughts, it does, but it is minimal, and compared to even oral morphia it is, while enjoyable, distinctly lacking in a rush.                                                                   
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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2012, 02:15:29 AM »
not suitable for iv unless extracted parenteral only

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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2012, 11:12:53 PM »
i forgot to mention i used a solvent until it was just a paste perchloroethylene.
i ran it again and forgot to mention that little detail because i was drugged up

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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2012, 01:27:42 AM »
Well of course. Took that as a basic fundamental bleedin' obvious.

Toady uses micron filters anyhow, its good practice.

Do you think this would work for preparing oxy esters from OC?
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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2012, 02:47:49 PM »
yes but we already know they are'nt worth a damn
when i run reactions what i did previously automatically comes to mind hence i mentioned this because i forgot to used 3% (relative to the p-anhydride) catalyst this time and it worked.
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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2012, 08:42:08 PM »
I have attempted this reaction twice and have had no promising results so far.  I reflux propionic anhydride/ pill mass/ and tce for 3 hrs with sodium acetate as a catalyst.  This last time I attempted to extract the reacted pill mass (after treating with boiling h2o) with isopropyl 91% alcohol. This was dried and I ended up with green brown goo that had a bitter taste. It was obviously more mass that just the actual lope from the pills. ingested over half (100 pills were used) and and no effects were noticed.

I am disappointed in the fact that I have not been able to get anything useful out of two separate attempts. Im missing something here and it is really fucking me up. Next time I will extract the loperamide prior to the reaction and see if that works better.

I always wash the coating off of the pills before I start and use plenty of tce to slurry the pill mass. I am reflux on a boiling water bath for 3 hrs.


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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2012, 11:05:48 PM »
therein lies your problem your incorporating water into the pill mass when you wash the coating off ruining your anhydride
also are you sure your sodium acetate is dry?
and not the trihydrate?
in the details therin lies the devil
« Last Edit: November 12, 2012, 11:26:46 PM by jon »

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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2012, 11:29:13 PM »
thank you jon. next time i have some time to run another one I will not be washing the pills with water.  I will just crush them up.

One question- when you extract from the pill mass with methanol or isoprop and evap, does it result in a gooey or clumpy product that doesn't fully dry easy?

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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2012, 11:36:16 PM »
yes that is freebase use methanol it's solubility in ipa is piss poor.
you can take that into a beaker and decolorize it with activated C as dopamine suggested,filter, evap methanol dissolve the base in tce or dcm wash with water, or filter of sodium acetate, separate phases, evap this, and then place in beaker with just a little water and heat, add your citric acid pinch by pinch until dissolves, i used to get pearl white crystal like that.
you can recrystallize in ipa.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2012, 02:32:50 AM by jon »

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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2012, 05:26:03 AM »
For the sodium acetate i add baking soda to vinegar until it stops fizzing. Then i dehydrate on the stove until its a brownish white powder. Is this sufficiently dry?

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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2012, 07:22:36 PM »
Ok, so I had what I would call as a successful time with this procedure. Finally! I refluxed propionic anhydride /pill mass/ catalyst/ tce for 3 hrs at 100C in a corona bottle. Then I evapped the anhydride and tce, i treated the resulting green powder with a little boiling water. Then while the pill mass was still wet i extracted with methanol. filtered the methanol. The methanol was evapped and left a green oily substance. I then added 20-30 ml of warm h2o. I stirred the solution on low heat and added citric acid.  The oily green stuff disolved in water upon addition of the acid and was drunk.

Effects were noticed starting at about t+1hr and plateaued at around t+2.5 hrs and didn't taper off for around 6-7hrs pretty good opiate ime. Kratom seemed to potentiate it pretty good. Very nice experience, although I didn't shit for two days but when I did it didn't hurt. Which methadone constipation will do to me  :o (incase you are apprehensive about abusing anti diarrhea meds).

Somethings to keep in mind:

  • When making the anhydride, the drier the better. ie dry ingredients and glass ware.
  • Drier is better through the refluxing stage. Dry glass ware, make sure anhydride is really anhydride using a simple test. If dropped into h20 the p.a. will not dissolve immediately but will look like oil sinking to the bottom.
  • Oral administration is a little weak and requires ingestion of 70-150 mg to get ya where ya wanna be.
  • All of this can be done in the ghetto. Beer bottles, vinyl tubing, heet, duct tape etc worked for me.



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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2012, 07:41:51 PM »
i found acetone is a damn good solvent.
i have been reverting back to extracting first and acetone dissolves the green gunk leaving crystals behind don't believe me see how they purify thier loperamide in this patent and get back to me.

what i did in your case was evap the methanol off or anhydride and solid liquid extract with tce or dcm and filter this removes the acetates but not all the green gunk.
the anhydride will actually leave most of the green shit stuck to the side of the vessel it is carnuba wax.
once i evap the tce then i can cover in a thin layer of water and heat and add citric acid pinch by pinch with good mixing until it dissolves this solution is clear with globs or green shit floating around at that point it is pretty easy to purify mechanically but acetone does the job nicely.
after you evap the water your crystals should be white.
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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2012, 11:31:17 PM »
Well it looks like they are using MIBK and diisopropyl ether to re xtalize.

Can I extract with methanol, evap, take up residue in water, add acetone to h20/lope mixture, and finally filter off crystals that formed?  These xtals are lope?

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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2012, 06:08:28 PM »
yes but still dirty you would have better luck with mek and the only way to get clear pure freebase is to get busy with a sep funnel i could see through that shit it was so pure.
but alternately you can dissolve in minimal hot ipa and add acetone then cool it down.
you have better luck this way.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2012, 06:24:01 PM by jon »

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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2012, 07:48:44 PM »
I must be missing something, but where and how would a sep funnel be involved. I use a ghetto buchner filter when filtering off the methanol.

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Re: making propionoxy loperamide directly from pill mass
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2012, 12:33:52 PM »
i got pure lope by just adding 4 vols of water to the filtrate followed by 5% NaOH until ph 12 a dash of salt will crash out pure white base.
so easy you crap yourself