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Methyl Nitrosamine
« on: August 04, 2009, 03:41:44 PM »
I was wondering if anyone had experiance with either this compound or the product im after diazomethane. I understand they are not the most use freindly materials but neither is nitroethane and this preperation looks much simpler and safer then working with Bromoethane to synthesis Nitroethane.

Diazomethane can be formed by hydrolysis of Methylnitrosamine in Ether and reacts with Bendaldahydes to produce the desired ketone. This is all new to me and I recently came across it while reviewing some old hive threeds. It by passes the need for Nitroethane. 

Wiki has stated that Nitrosamines are the result of the reactions of nitrites with secondary amines. To me this mans that Sodium nitrite reacted with Methylamine should yeild the coresponding nitrosamine.



A brief discription of the reaction is below
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Description of the experiments

10 g Piperonal were melted in a 500 ml Erlenmeyer flask, the flask was put in a ice-salt-mixture and on the piperonal which solidified to a disc a cooled solution of 350 ml diazomethan in ether9 and 60 ml methanol was poured over a period of 10 min. After standing for 2 days at room temperature the solution completely lost its colour. 10 more grams of piperonal were treated in the same way and solutions were combined. After removal of the solvent 23 g of a weakly coloured oil with an intense and pleasent smell were isolated. It distilled with a decomposition at 140-145 °C at 9-10 mm pressure. The distillation residue is viscous, light yellow oil which decomposes on further distillation and was not investigated any further. The distillate were 20 g of a completely colourless oil with low viscosity. It was dissolved in 300 ml ether and shaken mechanically for 3 h in 150 ml of a saturated sodium bisulfite solution in a seperating funnel.
The precipitated bisulfite product was collected by filtration, washed with ether, the keton was liberated with concentrated sodium carbonate solution and extracted with ether. After drying with sodiums sulfate and evaporation of the solvent 4.4 g oil were obtained which was colourless and almost odourless after vacuum distillation (boiling point: 140-145 °C). The semicarbazone was prepared in the same manner, recrystallized twice from methanol and had a melting of 163-165 °C. The melting point of piperonylacetone (MD-P2P) which was prepared according to Höring10 by isomerisation of isosafroloxide had a melting point of 163-164 °C. The mixed melting point of both semicarbazones was 163-164 °C.

After isolating the ketone from the ether solution the ether was washed several times with water and very diluted KOH solution, dried and after evaporated gave 12 g oil. In order to further purify it was digested about ten times with each 30 ml cold petroleum ether (boiling point: 20-30 °C). 2.2 g of a colourless, but very viscous oil could not be dissolved. Only a few amount of acetopiperon could be detected as the semicarbazone. The pooled petroleum ether gave 9.5 g of a colourless oil (boiling point: 145-147 °C) which was treated with seed crystals of acetopiperon and immediately formed a crystalline precipitate, which was filtrated and recrystallized from water. Yield: 0.7 g, melting point: 87-88.5 °C.

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In order to understand the the influence of methanol in the reaction of piperonal and diazomethane two experiments without methanol were performed:

Experiment I: To a solution of 5 g piperonal in ether a solution of diazomethane in ether was added while the whole mixture was cooled. The nitrogen development ceased within a short time and after two weeks the solution was discoloured. The overall yield is bad. The main product was acetopiperon (2.5 g). The non-ketone product was only present in traces and could not be isolated.

Experiment II: On 10 g solid piperonal a solution of diazomethane in ether (prepared of 20 ml nitrosomethylurea) was poured at -15 °C. The devolopment of nitrogen is vigorous at the beginning but ceases after a short time. After two weeks the solution is discoloured. The yield is not good, too (2 g piperonylacetone, 1.5 g acetopiperon und about 2 g of non-keton product). The yield of acetonpiperon might be increased if the vacuum distillation is avoided while isolating the last two products.

9 The diazomethane solution was prepared in the usual manner from 20 ml nitrosomethylurea and 25% KOH in methanol.


I will provide more information as I track down all the references associated with this reaction.
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Re: Methyl Nitrosamine
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2009, 04:50:51 PM »
Methylamine is a primary amine:

RNH2 = Primary
RRNH = Secondary
RRNR = Tertiary

You would have to use dimethylamine.  Outside of that, this looks incredibly interesting as there are a few phenethylamines I'd like to synthesize but have subverted my attention to other things due to me not wanting to produce nitroethane.  Keep us posted sedit!

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Re: Methyl Nitrosamine
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2009, 06:43:18 PM »
After reading through that reference, I noticed at the bottom it described the hydrolysis from nitrosomethylurea.  Orgsyn just happens to have a synthesis for this material, first from methylamine, second from acetamide:

http://www.orgsyn.org/orgsyn/orgsyn/prepContent.asp?prep=cv2p0461

This looks better than methyl nitrosamine.  Hell, I might even have to give this a go hahahaha.

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Re: Methyl Nitrosamine
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2009, 06:57:04 PM »
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9 The diazomethane solution was prepared in the usual manner from 20 ml nitrosomethylurea and 25% KOH in methanol.

Wow considering how easy nitrosomethylurea seems to be to make, and how this would allow one to by pass the use of nitroethane, this seems like one hell of a find!

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Diazomethane can be formed by hydrolysis of Methylnitrosamine in Ether and reacts with Bendaldahydes to produce the desired ketone. This is all new to me and I recently came across it while reviewing some old hive threeds. It by passes the need for Nitroethane.

I can't picture how this reaction would work, do you have a reference, or where at in the hive I might find it?

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Re: Methyl Nitrosamine
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2009, 07:06:26 PM »
Look for Post 509822 Vesp that will get you there. Perhaps search thru rhodiums archives for Diazomethane I have yet to do it yet because I have been busy searching for information about that other reaction im interested in at the moment.
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Re: Methyl Nitrosamine
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2009, 07:09:18 PM »
The troubles with both this method and the phenylbutenone method are that the yield is very low and it gives an impure product.

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Re: Methyl Nitrosamine
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2009, 07:32:56 PM »
Working with Piperonal yeilds could be a problem but with Benzaldahyde the ease greatly outweights the yeilds. Mind you that the yeilds are only low in the way the procedure was first laid out. Since then there has been many improvments in the synthesis to afford higher yeilds.
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