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Cannalytics - Fingerprint & THC Test Kit
« on: August 05, 2009, 02:04:01 AM »
Cannalytics - Fingerprint & THC Test Kit

The Cannalytics - Cannabis Fingerprint kit (previously called Cannalyse) is a unique mini-laboratory for home use. The fingerprint kit also contains a unique standardized & high performance developing protocol for thin layer chromatography, specific for cannabinoids and a total-extraction specific for Cannabis. The cannabinoids will be separated and identified on special impregnated TLC-plates.

Only a minimal amount of sample (100 mg) is needed for total cannabinoid extraction.
The Cannalytics Kit contains enough for 12 individual tests.



98 pounds sterling
$166 US.

another site sells 12 tests for;
146 euros!

There has been alot of talk about these, so I am sure all you out there have heard of them. I am also sure you already know how valuble they could be, for example a breeding program, selecting  prospective mother plants, testing potency of male plants!
But after forking out $200 after shipping from Europe, for 12 tests it limits you to using them solely for novelty testing or maybe selecting a mother from 10 different plants based on THC / CBD. Any decent breeding program will require hundreds if not thousands of tests.
I have seen out of all the conversations regarding this product only one person clever enough (or just not stoned enough) to ask could we not make these ourselves?
And the answer is a big 10-4, in fact before the people at Alpha Nova decided to sell these. The method they stole was and is used regularly (well not as much in the laboratory nowadays, the dye used is now known to be toxic). I never commented on this previously because for 50 tests it cost like $100 with shipping, so for the solvents and so fourth it contains and its relatively hassle free and a decent deal, in my eyes that did not amount to robbery, but now it is, so...


Lets examine just what you get, in depth.

12 eppendorf tubes
3 pipettes
12 TLC plates
Gloves
1 empty spray bottle
1 developing chamber (big jar)
1 fuel burner (small candle)
Instructions
Reference card
1 small bottle of solvent/devolping agent (75% chloroform + 25% 1,2-Dichloroethane)
1 small bottle of vizualizing agent (0.3%w/v aqueous solution of Diazo Fast Blue B salt)
Cotton wool balls (filter)
Capillary tube

As you can see the TLC plates, the solvent and the dye are the only things that one may have trouble with. If one purchases fast blue b salt from a dye company you get it in pound quantities relatively cheaply. For a 0.3%w/v  solution with water is not using much! 1 pound of fast blue b salt would produce many liters of visualizing agent. Enough for many thousands of tests!

The procedure is to put a wieghed chopped up sample, into the eppendorf tube. The pipette is used to add the solvent. Close the lid and shake and let it rest for a predetermined amount of time, open the eppendorf tube and drop a cotton wool ball in. The cotton wool acts like a filter, a capillary tube is used to take sample and is then spotted on to the TLC plate. The spotted TLC plate placed in the developing chamber (big jar), and the solvent from above is carefully added until the bottom of the TLC plate is 3-5mm
under the  level of the solvent. The developing chamber sealed, and the chromatogram is allowed to devolop for a predetermined time ( about 20 minutes). It has finished when the solvent front nears the top of the TLC plate. Take the plate out and let it dry.
Now you take that small empty spray bottle and fill it with the stuff from the other bottle (visualizing agent). Take the spray bottle and give the dry TLC plate a light spray, instantaneously the cannabinoids will be seen as in the first picture given.

You can also use fluorescent TLC plates and use ultraviolet light to visualize the plates. Putting a flame underneath reveals extra spots by pyrolysis. Iodine solutions work so does sulfuric acid but for the best results you need at least 75% chloroform in your solvent and fast blue b salt to visualize the spots.

note; When doing many tests, your tests have to be standardized. i.e every sample has to weigh exactly the same. Exactly the same amount of solvent has to be used every time. How long you leave the tlc plate in the developing chamber has to the same every time, so on and so forth you get it.

References, I wont even give any references to the literature that uses this and similar methods alot. Just take the patent that Alpha Nova filed for there ridiculously priced Cannalytics test.
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=Ou2WAAAAEBAJ&dq=thc+fingerprint

The chemistry of the dye Fast blue B salt is also very interesting. Like why it changes color, in the presence of different cannabinoids.
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Re: Cannalytics - Fingerprint & THC Test Kit
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2009, 03:17:10 AM »
Wow impressive they have such a thing, thanks for sharing it. Pretty pricey for me, considering I don't grow or have a cannabis breeding project going on, but it certainly makes me want to start, since I'd be able to objectively test all sorts of things.
I wish they had that for other various alkaloids. One for DMT and all of its derivatives, toxic and non-toxic would be great!
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Re: Cannalytics - Fingerprint & THC Test Kit
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2009, 03:38:08 AM »
For DMT one would probably use Marquis reagent. (check pat no 4104027)


Some  other common reagents are;

Marquis reagent;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_reagent

Kellers reagent is one of the prominent tests for indole alkaloids. Ergot and psilocybin etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keller%27s_reagent

Some good reading on the subject (warning government site)
Color Test Reagents/Kits for
Preliminary Identification
of Drugs of Abuse


hxxp://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/183258.pdf

Another good link would be;

Process for the presumptive identification of narcotics and drugs of abuse
US Patent 4104027
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Re: Cannalytics - Fingerprint & THC Test Kit
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2009, 04:22:31 AM »
If used as a visualizing agents for TLC, the above reagents would be excellent. If selected properly you could check for Lysergic Acid amides, Ergot, or Psilocybin content in fungus or seed using Kellers reagent as a visualizing agent. You could check ephedrine content of Ephedra, and pick the most potent for your breeding program using Marquis reagent. DMT content of root bark and the list goes on!

I came across an article on ephedra biosynthesis, in the paper they grew ephedra hydroponically. Usually in hydroponic systems you get ridiculously fast vegatative growth, with alot more potency. Considering you just harvest the tips of ephedra and let it regenerate it would not take long for it to regenerate in a hydro system. You would be harvesting every two weeks! Also considering the ephedra tested usually is grown in poor Asian soils, and with hydro you could easily add cheaply available ephedrine precursors to the nutrient medium. In conjunction with the above methods of selective breeding and testing the most potent plant and cloning and growing it specifically would skyrocket the potency, imagine getting an ephedra plant that yields 20% ephedrine! a room full of those and you would be pulling in like a kilo of leaf = about 200g ephedrine a week. You would be producing some good Ma Huang! I would not do this but it makes you think?

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Re: Cannalytics - Fingerprint & THC Test Kit
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2009, 06:14:22 PM »
Kellers reagent looks really easy to make, so that is a great bonus, as are a lot of the other reagents listed.

If I had more time, such as a green house allowing me to grow all year, I would certainly be trying to do a breeding program of all sorts of plants. This thread is pretty inspirational, as I thought it would be significantly harder (for some reason) to test for these sort of things.

Sida cordifolia if I remember correctly contains .8 to 1.2% ephedrine, and so may have a better profile then ephedra. I don't think you could ever get a plant to produce 20% alkaloids, the most I have ever heard was 9% of the dried material from N. Rustica.  Cannabinoids might be a different story however, I don't know how high of percent they can reach in a plant.

I wonder, considering the similarity of Keller's and Marquis reagent, if any benefit would come from mixing them together, and using a hybrid, probably ruin the properties of both but who knows.

There are also Mandelin, Marquis, Mecke, Simon's and Robadope's reagents for testing for alkaloids, normally sold as pill testing kits.
I'll have to look up what each one of those is later.
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Re: Cannalytics - Fingerprint & THC Test Kit
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2009, 02:06:58 AM »
You are right about the high alkaloid levels, I have read many examples of high alkaloid levels having regulatory effects on growth, ie tiny shrooms with high alkaloid levels etc. I have heard of cannabis surpassing 25% THC nowadays, but as that is actually a phenolic terpenoid that would be classed generally with other essential oils. In that context it is not that impressive.

As for mixing the reagents, I think it would be more accurate for multiple comparative tests with different reagents to be done, not only the fact that they are all pretty reactive chemicals but one test would interfere with another (I think)

I have been meaning to post this for a while I am sure all have seen it but, I think this would be a great thread to revisit it!

In the 1994 Vernal Equinox edition of the Entheogen Review, Johnny Appleseed wrote an article called Simplified column chromatography. Where he detailed basically an oversized TLC chromatogram that was a piece of blotter paper or filter paper that had glass on each side pic below; that could seperate samples a of a decent size!

You could purify for example crudely extracted psilocybin, with multiple runs you could cut out the bands of interest drop them into solvent, to recover crystal clear pure psilocybin. The very first one you do, cut a strip off and spray with Kellers reagent so you know where the bands of interest are and the next runs you can cut out the good stuff by knowing where they are going to be without spraying. This could be applied to LSA from seed, DMT you name it.

If anyone wants the original article, let me know and I will post a link.

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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2009, 02:12:43 AM »
Yeh post it I wanna see. I think all this is a great idea and a step in the right direction.
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Re: Cannalytics - Fingerprint & THC Test Kit
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2009, 02:17:14 AM »
I'd like the original article as I have never seen this, and looks really useful.
It seems like it would take a while unless you were to use a large glass sheet or something, an old window, etc, with large piece of paper. I can't imagine paper between two pieces of glass holding very many mL's.

One option would also be to have multiple layers of glass, paper, glass, paper, etc. to do more at a time, though this could get pretty tricky really fast.

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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2009, 02:27:01 AM »
Yes I agree, there definitely would have to be some improvements made to increase the volume you could purify. B

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Re: Cannalytics - Fingerprint & THC Test Kit
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2009, 04:16:11 AM »
can you do a quantative analysis or is it only a determinitive test? i guess if its only determinative most stoners i know would use the 'ole "suck it and see" method :D

however  i do like the unusual esoteric stuff you come up with naf juan lol! :D 8) 
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Re: Cannalytics - Fingerprint & THC Test Kit
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2009, 04:24:34 AM »
You put a predetermined amount in, so every different sample has the same amount of weed in it. Then the test is quantative, they actually give you reference cards with spots that are 20% etc, then you measure the spot against the reference card. So as long as you make sure every sample you do is the exact same weight the results will be quantative as they will show how much thc is in the given volume of weed.

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Re: Cannalytics - Fingerprint & THC Test Kit
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2009, 04:32:16 AM »
Oh, btw;

Naf Juan has a ring to it, I like it ;D