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Clomethiazole
« on: September 18, 2012, 05:36:43 AM »


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Clomethiazole is an atypical sedative/hypnotic developed in Europe as an anxiolytic and a treatment for alcohol dependance. Not much exists in the way of recreational experience reports, especially in North America. The few members of bluelight, etc, who have sampled it usually rate it favorably, comparable to such sedatives as barbs and methaqualone, with the concomitant narrow therapeutic window. Downsides include histamine release causing conjunctivitis and a disagreeable odor.

Synthesis looks somewhat facile, proceeding from cleavage of vitamin B1 followed by chlorination.

JACS 57, 1935 describes the degradation of thiamine (B1) by sodium bisulfite:

1.000 grams of vitamin was dissolved in 15 cc. of sodium sulfite solution containing sufficient excess sulfurous acid to bring the pH to 4.8-5.0. The total sulfite content was 2.6 N. After standing overnight at room temperature the liquid had deposited copious amounts of the sparingly soluble acidic cleavage product in crystalline form. After standing for several days, the crystalline product was collected, washed and dried; weight 535.8 mg. The mother liquor and washings were brought to pH 10 with strong sodium hydroxide and the alkaline solution extracted seven times with 50 cc. of chloroform each time. The combined chloroform extraacts were extracted with dilute hdrochloric acis, the acid aqueous extract was evaporated in vacuo, and the residue was extracted with absolute alcohol. The alcoholic solution on evaporation left a residue of 518.8 mg of the crystalline hydrochloride of the basic cleavage product, the purity of  which was demonstrated by analysis; yield 97.4%. The recrystallization of this material is effected by dissolving in a minimum amount of absolute alcohol, adding an excess of dioxane and allowing to stand.

The second (basic) fraction is the requisite 4-methyl-5-hydroxyethylthiazole. This is chlorinated, preferably by thionyl chloride, to clormethiazole, although it can be affected by concentrated HCl as well, in somewhat lower yields. JACS 58, 1803 describes this modified process:

Two grams of the hydroxythiazole was heated with 25cc. of concentrated hydrochloric acid for three hours in a sealed tube at 145C. After evaporation of excess acid, the free base was liberated with alkali and isolated by distillation; yield 1.5g. The compound has a characteristic order and is stable at room temperature: bp 74-75C.

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Re: Clomethiazole
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2012, 11:17:54 AM »
As far as synthesis goes, never done it, looks easy enough though.

What I can tell you...is that it fucking stinks. And don't put it anywhere it can contact plastic. It melts plastic, welds pill bottle caps shut, and if abused too far YOU will stink. Literally. Suspicion is metabolism to a thiol.

Too much, on a bender in the past resulted in the scrapping of quite a bit of clothing.

But, it rates highly. Opioids aside, it has to be Toady's favourite depressant, at least amongst the GABAa agonists (discounting fucking oddballs like the orthosteric agonists, E.g muscimol).

Potent, steep, steep dose response curve, eats plastic, capable of turning your metabolic pathways askew that one gets literally walked widely around in the street yes, but in sensible doses its a damn good anxiolytic, sedative/hypnotic, anticonvulsant in this case (myoclonic seizures.)

I'm not averse to dosing a bit with my oxy, I've been on it for quite a while now, and it works brilliantly. No flying arse over tit down the stairs, slicing face open etc. etc., and no more post-ictal 'brain, meet deep fat fryer'  feeling.

Is it hard to form salts of specifically? only form here is freebase, although the ethanedisulfonate salt is used in some formulations of the liquid type elsewhere.

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Re: Clomethiazole
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2012, 01:55:40 AM »
That's brilliant.

The primary alkyl chloride scares me, though: it looks like an alkylating agent. I wonder if you could replace it with a terminal F and retain activity.

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Re: Clomethiazole
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2012, 09:04:21 AM »
Toady had the exact same thought.

But, a fluoroethyl group isn't something he would bee happy to have on anything earmarked for ingestion.

Chlormethiazole can't be THAT bad, surely, its been around a while. If it had any carcinogenic properties surely we would know by now.
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Re: Clomethiazole
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2012, 01:59:01 AM »
This very much looks like it should act as a PAM at the Benzodiazapine site of the GABA gate yet WIKI and other sources seem to suggest it acts on another area of the GABA site.

Whats the verdict, is this a Benzo or not.
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2012, 03:20:53 AM »
From:

https://the-collective.ws/forum/index.php?topic=19587.msg137472#msg137472

From Micromedix Drug Evaluation Monographs :
5-(2-chloroethyl)-4-methyl-1,3-thiazole (533-45-9), AKA Distraneurin, Distraneurine, Hemineurin, Heminervin. It is a colorless to slightly yellow-brown liquid w/ a characteristic odor. slightly sol in H2O, miscible w/ ether and CHCl3. Chlormethiazole dose: 500-1000mg oral dose for sedation. 1000mg every 4hr for delerium tremens or opiate withdrawl, 32mg/min IV bolus w/ 8mg/min continuous IV infusion for seizures or as a hypnotic. 1/2 life = 4-6 hrs in healthy adults, 8.9 hrs in cirrhotic patients. Used extensively in alcohol withdrawl in europe. Gaining wide acceptance for geriatric patients because of relative lack of adverse effects, compared to benzos. Onset is 20-30 min as the oral syrup, 2 hrs as the capsule. Duration of the syrup is 1-4 hrs! Peak plasma conc. after 500mg tablet is 35min. Exact mech of action is unclear, but appears to enhance transmission of GABA (gamma-amino-butyric acid) in the CNS. This enhanced transmission   appears to be mediated through Ca dependant Cl ion channels and differs significantly from benzos and barbs mech.


which was posted on the Hive by Beagle over fourteen years ago  8)

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2012, 03:28:10 AM »
My concerns are that he recommends a dosage for sedation which is 5x higher then the typical recommended dose. These sort of things cause me to draw into question all the sources knowledge as a general rule.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2012, 07:18:47 AM »
AFAIK, chlormethiazole is an agonist at the picrotoxin/barbiturate binding site. Characteristics are more barb-like than like any benzo Toady has ever tried.

The abrupt dose-response curve says it all really. 1g per 4h seems excessive to him too. Toady is on 1x192mg BD and thats enough for seizure prevention here. Not had a major fit since starting on the stuff.

Taking it as an opioid potentiator, 3, perhaps 4 of those 192mg caps is enough, and damn, that packs a real punch. Quite enough to make sure he doesn't get out of bed all day.

Fantastic stuff IMO, despite the iffy physiochemical properties (I.e stinking, eating plastic etc.).
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Re: Clomethiazole
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2012, 07:09:45 PM »
Has anyone ever considered the use of HBr to effect the cleavage and also Halogenate the alcohol all in a single pot? This should yeild an interesting analog of Clomethiazole.
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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2012, 05:52:06 PM »
Wouldn't the heavier halides be more likely alkylating agents? Interesting idea though, very interesting concept. I like it.

Toady had thought in passing, of the cyano analog, but would be none too tempted to actually try it, for obvious reasons. Azide is obviously out..but what about something like a thiocyanate..

Just thinking out loud really. Not sure what would retain activity at the barb site on GABARs.
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2012, 04:27:32 PM »
Not sure, I also have concerns about the free radical nature of bromine to begin with but its just a thought that crossed my brain.

I know a good deal about the Benzodiazepine pocket but I don't even know if bromine would conform to the pocket correctly at this location of the GABA receptor.
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Re: Clomethiazole
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2012, 11:50:22 PM »
I read that it fucks with your sinuses and shit, did you experience that Tathoggua

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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2012, 10:29:16 AM »
It just causes a  histamine reaction at higher doses. Simple enough to deal with.
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