Author Topic: Recreational use of Bentley compounds ? (Read 182 times)

Oerlikon · « **on:** September 25, 2012, 11:25:58 PM »

I am curious about Etorphine (aka. Immobilon or M99).

It's a Bentley compound,kinda like buprenorphine but full agonist and 1,000–3,000 stronger than morphine,fentanyl looks like a codeine comared to this stuff.
It's used to immobilise large African animals and people will almost certainly OD on it if they are exposed to it in such form.
It's such a strong agonist that naltrexone can't do shit to save your ass from M99.

I am curious,since bupe is EXTREMLY euphoric opiate to me (at least when I was non-tolerant,now I can't feel a shit from it) I have some reason to believe that all Bentley compounds are.
and this thing is probably even better so do you people think that I can use very very VERY diluted solution of this compound to get high without passing out or OD?!

I mean,since it's a veterinarian stuff I can probably get it somehow and idea looks interesting.

Thanks!

carl_nnabis · « **Reply #1 on:** September 25, 2012, 11:37:58 PM »

I cant add anything useful here beside i know etorphine or carfentanyl are used here for your mentioned purpose, and i know they come with an ampoule of the sedative, another one as antidote for the animal, AND! a third one if the vet shoots himself in the foot, as a human calculated antidote dosage!

Oerlikon · « **Reply #2 on:** September 25, 2012, 11:50:54 PM »

I know all that info,it'son wiki.

I don't find fentanyl and it'sfamily very euphoric so I was thinking about Bentley compounds instead.

lugh · « **Reply #3 on:** September 26, 2012, 02:38:54 AM »

You might want to read:

https://the-collective.ws/forum/index.php?topic=22942

as far as solutions to certain little known hazards of these compounds

Tsathoggua · « **Reply #4 on:** September 26, 2012, 02:44:45 AM »

Mere skin contact with a trace of immobilon requires immediate use of the antagonist to prevent a lethal overdose.

Dihydroetorphine has seen use in china though in human medicine. IIRC the dose was as 2mcg tablets. I'd love to give it a try, as long as a pharmaceutical company knocked up the formulation. Home-brewed etorphine is too dangerous, just look at the way street fentanyl and its analogs kill users thanks to 'hot spots' in the bags. 1mg of fentanyl (a mere, piddling 100x morphine IIRC) out of place and even a massively tolerant user is going to die without the prompt use of naloxone.

1mg of etorphine....that would probably kill about 1500-2000 people, using the 2mcg dose of dihydroetorphine as a rough stab in the dark estimate.

These uberpotent opioids also have the disadvantage of inducing a very rapid and quite profound tachyphylaxis.

Etorphine, carfentanil etc. are viable chemical weapons IMO. The lethal dose is much less than sarin nerve agents, hell, they even surpass most, if not all the V-series fluorophosphate nerve agents on a LD:50 basis. Possibly even the novichok agents, although relatively little is known about the novichoks.

Assyl Fartrate · « **Reply #5 on:** September 26, 2012, 05:45:51 PM »

Extremely potent drugs can be dosed safely, if it is administered as a solution. Dropping it onto powder is just dumb.

Tsathoggua · « **Reply #6 on:** September 27, 2012, 12:00:48 AM »

One has to weigh the stuff out first, accurately.

Some of these ultrapotent opioids are just too strong for safe human use IMO, at least, by any home chemist. If a scale is accurate to 1mg, and a human therapeutic dose is 2mcg (going from dihydroetorphine)....that could be many orders of magnitude over what dose is required in terms of error where the scale is concerned.

Oerlikon · « **Reply #7 on:** September 27, 2012, 03:41:10 PM »

Believe it or not I had access to V-series of nerve agents after the war...was even exposed a little after one jackass threw hand grenade with V agent while thinking it was plain CS.
I had nauseatigly sweetish taste in my troath after exposure,but luckily there was nothing too bad but some salivation,nausea,weakness and muscle twitching. Felt A LOT like opiate WD.
Just one guy needed atropine and benzos,I just took benzos.
Anyone could take these and sell them today,back then no-one knew that someone will pay a good price for them today. LOL

Novichok agents,I bet they were used in Afghanistan by Soviets,they look like a bit better V-series.

You know that Yugos made V-series in form of artillery shells,spigot grenades and hand grenades in Bosnia,Serbs later
used them in Bosnia to kill civilians. OT I know...but interesting! Very little is known today about use of nerve agents past WW1,
but I know a bit more about that subject,probably more than I shuld.

Tsath. you are overreacting,I would certainly not OD on 1mg of fentanyl or by touching etorphine.
LOL 1mg of Fent would make me feel a little better!
Thanks to methadone and bupe in past I barely feel 200mg of pure diacetylmorphine.

Yeah,error margin might be big but just dilute the damn thing even more!
Using powder is simply retarded,solution is way to go.

I am only worried if there are any other unknown side effects,like tachyphylaxis,if even that.

Tsathoggua · « **Reply #8 on:** September 28, 2012, 07:54:49 AM »

I'm talking not of people with huge fucking great monkeys on their back to begin with.

And I was referring not to fent itself, but to the super-potent derivatives of those, and some of those ridiculously strong oripavines. That is certainly territory where one tiny tits-up is going to kill the chemist working on it. aerosol from transferring solution from one vessel to another, likewise, powder has to be handled at some point for weighing prior to preparing a solution...

Just opening for instance, a ziplock bag of powder tends to create a little plume of whatever is in there, which could easily, theoretically speaking, end up lying on some surface or other, to be absorbed later.

Just checked wikipedia on carfentanil/etorphine, and to correct my earlier error, human dosage of dihydroetorphine apparently starts at some 20mcg, not 2, as originally stated.

AFAIK, these high potency compounds, certainly the fentanyls are known to induce a very rapid tachyphylaxis

Oerlikon · « **Reply #9 on:** September 28, 2012, 11:39:12 PM »

I know that tachyphylaxis happens with fents but what about Bentleys!?
When I had no tolerance,I got high from 0,25-0,5mg of bupe,taking it allmost every day for 3-4 months w/o any signs of tolerance or depandance.
One day it simply quit making me high,no matter how much I used.
For me,that was THE BEST period of intoxication with opioids and high was simply incredible. Heroin or oxy could not get even near the blissfulness of that high!

It did,howewer,made HUGHE and up until today irreversible tolerance toward full opiate agonists. :-(

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