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Requesting a Scaled Down Version of The BrighStar Synthesis
« on: October 16, 2012, 08:08:37 PM »
Hello fellow Wasps, I have returned after many moons to ask for assistance in a new write up of the Bright Star Synthesis. I have 70g's of Safrole and expect to have another 30 g's shortly :D However I would like to know how to scale down the bright star synthesis on steps 3-6 of the Bright Star Sythesis. I have hypothesized that this can be done by cutting the moles (by moles I mean the amounts used in the synthesis... seems I need to brush up on the definition of mole again) in the synthesis in half. However I am to weary of my math skills being error prone, and would like to ask the community for help in a new write up. I feel that a smaller scale write up will help new wasps perfect there technique and at the same time not waste to much money while in the learning stages by wasting precious hard to get reagents. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I would also appreciate any links to material that explains how to take a synthesis and scale it to whatever my needs may be. Thanks to anyone that decides to help.

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xxxyyy
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Re: Requesting a Scaled Down Version of The BrighStar Synthesis
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2012, 10:48:01 PM »
A mole is simply any amount of a chemical substance that contains as many elementary entities as there are atoms in 12 grams of pure carbon-12.

Scaling can generally be done by calculating the molar ratios of all reagents used in the RxN, and applying those ratios to the moles of the reagents you would like to use.

The coefficients in a balanced chemical equation can be used to determine the relative number of molecules, formula units, or moles of a compound involved in a chemical reaction.

Example:

N2 (g) + 3 H2 (g) --> 2 NH3 (g)
1 molecule of nitrogen (N2) reacts with 3 molecules of hydrogen (H2) to form 2 molecules of ammonia (NH3)
OR

1 mole of nitrogen (N2) reacts with 3 moles of hydrogen (H2) to form 2 moles of ammonia (NH3)

The coefficients in a balanced equation can be used to write a molar ratio. Molar ratios are conversion factors that can be used to relate:
   1.   moles of product formed from a certain number of moles of reactant
   2.   moles of reactant needed to form a certain number of moles of a product.
   3.   the number of moles of a particular reactant needed to completely react with a certain number of moles of a second reactant.

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Re: Requesting a Scaled Down Version of The BrighStar Synthesis
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2012, 09:46:26 PM »
Sorry guys but this is a bit beyond me.... I suck at math. I have tried to comprehend this but it's not clicking. I have 80 G's of safrole. I would very much appreciate some spoon feeding please don't get mad at me. I just don't want to waste anything on a very high probability of my math being totally wrong. I feel that it is smarter to ask for help with others who are smarter than I am in this area. I just need a scaled down version of the Bright Star Synth wacker oxidation using 80 g's of safrole. Please help me so that I don't waste any more time and money. I was thinking about cutting all the amounts mentioned of said reagents in the wacker oxidation synth in half but my gut tells me this is wrong. Anyhow, I think a scaled down version of the Bright Star synth is needed for wasps to practice with and using the amounts mentioned is very expensive and if results are less than optimal at least we only waste half of our reagents on our trial runs. Hopefully someone is kind enough to help.

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xxxyyy

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Re: Requesting a Scaled Down Version of The BrighStar Synthesis
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2012, 02:31:56 AM »
then get a test substrate...or keep reading...or find a fucking torrent for tutorials...very basic concept you should not proceed without a thorough comprehension of

please don't waste your oil...or keep sitting like a honey pot  whichever you prefer
And she dreams of crystal streams

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Re: Requesting a Scaled Down Version of The BrighStar Synthesis
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2012, 04:36:47 AM »
Who the hell made you queen of this hive? Thanks for your shit advice but that does not help this thread progress, take the trolling somewhere else. I asked for help, not a comment which tries to somehow imply that you are somehow better than I am (which granted you may be smarter than I am but that does not make you superior). I have researched this for quite a while and I have some calculations but I know they are wrong. What is the point of a place like this? I assume to ask questions and to get answers to those questions in order to help members progress within there studies. I don't think it was made for people trying to show how intellectually superior they are to others, which is clearly what your post shows. Fuck you very much for the "advice" but again it does not help.

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Re: Requesting a Scaled Down Version of The BrighStar Synthesis
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2012, 08:57:11 AM »
Lol u tell him man
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Re: Requesting a Scaled Down Version of The BrighStar Synthesis
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2012, 10:02:40 AM »
If you can't do basic molar conversions you should really pick up a chemistry book before attempting a synthesis. You don't have to be good at math, it's simple multiplication and division. Any third grader can do it. If you're willing to take the time to read the first few chapters of a general chemistry book and do the conversions I'll look over your calculations and make sure they are correct. Just PM them to me.

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Re: Requesting a Scaled Down Version of The BrighStar Synthesis
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2012, 10:44:40 AM »
I thank you for the advice Fractal. I have verified that my hypothesis cutting the amounts in half should work only one way to find out which is to carry out the rxn. This thread is dead now if the admin would like to lock it or delete please do.
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