2bfrank, a relation, has asked me to share his latest endevours. HIS WORDS< NOT MINE>
Ive been giving this lots of thought, had it down on paper, the mechanism (see attached). Its a common mechanism for numerous reactions, but applying it to an anhydride formation, one is left with water acting as a potential nucleophile, and thus regenerating the starting reagent - the alkanoic, but if the water is forming an azetrope with toluene, and being much denser, then it will sink in a DS trap, and not bother the formed addition product. That was my thinking, and Ive put it to the test, and last count, 3 hours into the reaction, Ive got 5.5 ml of H2O at the bottom of the DS trap. The reagents i used were of course a legal alkanoic acid - 100ml, definitely not ACETIC along with 20 ml of dry toluene, and initially, I added to the pot at one time, all reagents, which included 1 ml of 33% HCl. The DS trap filled quickly(water wise) and I later added another ml of acid, and in future I will wait for the reaction to reach a steady state then add the acid catalyst. Initially I had it on flat out reflux, and flat out stirring. An hour ago, 3 hours into the reaction, the stir bar got jammed, and I had to slowly start it up, and decided to watch the effect of just a mild stir, but still refluxing away strongly, and I could literally see water hitting the top of the DS trap, and sinking to the bottom, so mild stirring has been maintained, and Im going to check her now. The amount now is 6.2 ml of water, This is not alot, but its over 4 ml, and personally, for such a handy reagent, I dont mind baby sitting, for a day, Just keeping the water cool for the condenser, and if the DS gets totally full of water, ending things, or changing things in order to continue. The expected amount can easily be worked out (half the molar amount of alkanoic used), so anyway, to me having water other than from the 2ml of catalyst, is success, and the reaction itself could be improved, Perhaps more toluene could be advantageous. This is somewhat new for me, working on a mechanism and adapting it to something that I hadn't seen before, and its this sort of chem that I really enjoy. Anyway, I hope to GOD this isn't a common method, and Im the dumbass reinventing the wheel, but hey, if thats the case, the intention was to share something that i feel has merit, and is worthy of more experimentation, - peace out. Last check, the pot is now a mild beige color, and water is 7.2 ml. . Ill keep on till I get the expected, and then check, but this is looking indeed promising. PEACE OUT.
I just checked, its up to 9 ml, my expected amount for 100ml of alkanoic, is 15.72grams, and being water, then its mls. Im blown away by this.
Ive been giving this lots of thought, had it down on paper, the mechanism (see attached). Its a common mechanism for numerous reactions, but applying it to an anhydride formation, one is left with water acting as a potential nucleophile, and thus regenerating the starting reagent - the alkanoic, but if the water is forming an azetrope with toluene, and being much denser, then it will sink in a DS trap, and not bother the formed addition product. That was my thinking, and Ive put it to the test, and last count, 3 hours into the reaction, Ive got 5.5 ml of H2O at the bottom of the DS trap. The reagents i used were of course a legal alkanoic acid - 100ml, definitely not ACETIC along with 20 ml of dry toluene, and initially, I added to the pot at one time, all reagents, which included 1 ml of 33% HCl. The DS trap filled quickly(water wise) and I later added another ml of acid, and in future I will wait for the reaction to reach a steady state then add the acid catalyst. Initially I had it on flat out reflux, and flat out stirring. An hour ago, 3 hours into the reaction, the stir bar got jammed, and I had to slowly start it up, and decided to watch the effect of just a mild stir, but still refluxing away strongly, and I could literally see water hitting the top of the DS trap, and sinking to the bottom, so mild stirring has been maintained, and Im going to check her now. The amount now is 6.2 ml of water, This is not alot, but its over 4 ml, and personally, for such a handy reagent, I dont mind baby sitting, for a day, Just keeping the water cool for the condenser, and if the DS gets totally full of water, ending things, or changing things in order to continue. The expected amount can easily be worked out (half the molar amount of alkanoic used), so anyway, to me having water other than from the 2ml of catalyst, is success, and the reaction itself could be improved, Perhaps more toluene could be advantageous. This is somewhat new for me, working on a mechanism and adapting it to something that I hadn't seen before, and its this sort of chem that I really enjoy. Anyway, I hope to GOD this isn't a common method, and Im the dumbass reinventing the wheel, but hey, if thats the case, the intention was to share something that i feel has merit, and is worthy of more experimentation, - peace out. Last check, the pot is now a mild beige color, and water is 7.2 ml. . Ill keep on till I get the expected, and then check, but this is looking indeed promising. PEACE OUT.
I just checked, its up to 9 ml, my expected amount for 100ml of alkanoic, is 15.72grams, and being water, then its mls. Im blown away by this.