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Conrad

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p2np in a bomb
« on: December 15, 2012, 11:03:56 AM »
Hi there!

Since someone would like to synth a larger amount of p2np via the henry reaction
he came to the idea to just use a pipe bomb instead of the usual reflux apparatus.

Materials used will be freshly destilled benzaldehyde, nitroethane and n-butylamine.
The choice of solvent is not sure yet. Probably ipa or xylene, as it is commonly used.
The question is:
What would be the ideal temperature/time for this?
Given the fact that there will be quite of an amount of pressure in the stainless steel bomb, the temperature should not be too
high. Using xylene, swim would use 100°C and 5hrs for reaction.
Also, some sources say that byproduct generation is linked to light exposure during rxn, this would be totally avoided :-)


fishinabottle

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Re: p2np in a bomb
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2012, 06:09:31 PM »
You need no frigging bomb, simple reflux suffices.

Conrad

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Re: p2np in a bomb
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2012, 06:20:06 PM »
SWIC knows that a reflux apparatus works, it´s been tested many times over.
What also works is mixing the precursors and let it stand for many weeks in a bottle.
It would just be so much more convenient and less suspicious to cap a threaded pipe and throw it in the oven or in the deep-fryer :)

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Re: p2np in a bomb
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2012, 07:35:46 PM »
It would not be any less suspicious and far more risky. Pipe bombs are utilized during reactions that require pressure which isn't needed in this reaction. Throwing a pressurized steal pipe full of flammable solvents and reactants in an oven is a horrible idea. You may end up having to explain it to the fire department if the shrap metal doesn't get you. Just use a flask, no need to make things more difficult or dangerous.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2012, 07:37:19 PM by fractal »