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phaseolus

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Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« on: January 30, 2013, 04:36:50 AM »
A search on eBay for glassware will net shitloads of results. Even items on the public DEA special surveillance list--like heating mantles, Parr hydrogenators, and even fucking tablet presses (as in high-throughput electric ones)--can all be had from eBay with great selection.
 
eBay has to be the biggest online retailer. Good, you say, because it's more easy to blend in. But this is not some shop where you can pay with cash and get out. Every transaction is recorded, passed around various national agencies and their analysis programs, and stored on multiple hard drives for eternity. If your shipping info or account is/can be linked to your identity, every purchase can be considered as transparent as a Sudafed purchase. Every government agent and their dog could find out the brand name of your round bottom flasks.

Let's say you think you're pretty smart and buy a pre-paid debit card (with cash) to do all your purchases. You still have to get the stuff shipped someplace. And I'm sure "paid with pre-paid card" is a criterion for a red flag by whatever programs they use. I don't think anyone will notice if you buy a little glassware, but anything more useful than that or any patterns seems like a trap.

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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2013, 06:33:01 AM »
Not your address, not your name, not your pre-paid debit card.  Wonder how one would get around those if they had the budget.
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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2013, 04:06:01 PM »
Not your address, not your name, not your pre-paid debit card.  Wonder how one would get around those if they had the budget.

Name is not an issue with pre-paid debit cards. Last time I used one online, I just put a Joe Blow name and it went right through.

Not-your-real-address is a seemingly easy obstacle, but of course your weakest link. There are plenty of stuff on there a bee could use to turn nectar into honey, enough to justify the risk.

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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2013, 01:49:00 AM »
Ebay is great for innocuous purchases.  SWIz uses ebay to replace broken pieces of his glassware when the need arises. 

Ebay becomes a problem when ordering groups of things that don't/do (depending on how yer lookin at it) belong together.  for instance, one of the first major busts that came from ebay involved the buyer purchasing from several different buyers, but it was the overall purchase list that led LE to KNOW what he was doing.  If I remember correctly, he purchased a full set of glassware, a stirrer/hotplate, several gallons of various solvents/acids, a bunch of hydroquinone, and sassafrass oil.

Now how stupid is that?  If I can eaasily go on ebay and see a list of all the items that I have purchased, then don't you think that THEY can to?  Ebay can bee a valuable resourc,e to bee
used sparingly, and only when NEEDED as they CAN and WILL cooperate with LE when asked


Here is the article.  The one I read actually had his list of purchases, and anyone who knows anything about anything can easily deduce what the boy was up to. 

hxxp://m.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/aug/22/ebay-led-to-ecstasy-lab-bust/
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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2013, 06:53:43 AM »
I was going to order glassware from ebay, i thought it should be ok, but yeah its a bad idea.

I found a great glassware store in the USA, great prices, especially for heating/stirring mantles.

Might just order small boiling flasks, i heard 500ml and over will raise someones attention...? ???

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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2013, 12:48:59 PM »
most vendors will do business outside of ebay if asked nicely. This at least eliminates any list of items purchased (or looked at for that matter). But still, o honeypot is a honeypot.

money orders and good drop houses are the way to go.
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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2013, 08:52:04 AM »
full set of glassware, a stirrer/hotplate, several gallons of various solvents/acids, a bunch of hydroquinone, and sassafrass oil.

Those all are pretty innocuous (as in "illegal chemistry" doesn't immediately come to mind) except the sassafras oil. Lots of people buy "chemistry sets," so I don't see buying glassware as suspicious--even if Big Brother is watching. Correct me if I'm wrong. I agree that it can be good for innocuous purchases, based on the assumption that said purchases are safe to do even when you know the government knows about them. Buying shitloads of glassware (or any lab equipment) is indicative of manufacture. A hobbyist will rarely spend over $500 per year on his or her hobby.

Buying chemicals at all on the snitchbay is a bad idea. Like someone on WD once said, it's like drinking water from the toilet.

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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2013, 11:29:15 PM »
Rarely spend over $500 (US) per year?

You have to be shitting me. Toady would easily spend that in a single shopping spree :P

Although perhaps he is somewhat...atypical, of other hobbyists...he wouldn't know, not having had the chance to meet others in the flesh.

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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2013, 05:47:57 AM »
I have recently found a lab supply shop, and i thought to myself, why not just walk in there and buy what you need?

Not everything in one hit of course, i want to buy my mantle before anything, then slowly obtain my vacuum and glassware.

If i'm asked what i'm using it for, i either have a great excuse which i already have, or i just say its a present for a family friend, etc.

Then when i go in again, they will know who i am and what i'm after. Anyone else do this? I dont see a problem with it..?

Just walk in and walk out. ;)


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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2013, 12:46:06 PM »
I happily use chemistry shops which sell to me as individual. Preferred walk in but also on the net. I also use Ebay for glassware and technical stuff, temperature controllers, dead microwaves and whatever.
Ok I am in Europe but buying iodine and red phosphorus (or better acetone and H2O2) will get you probably a visit from the "Sondereinsatzkommando" the new SA/SS.

So what? You can buy everywhere and it is exactly this, to spread it. Very special chemicals have to be aquired on very special ways, not s easily traceable. But thats rare and a friend of a friend..... there is always a way.

If you are unsecure on Ebay do this:
Go to some Accounts of people who are also buying chemstuff. Have a look and judge: Druggie or not? Compare those who you judge druggie to yourself. Now behave more like the others. Safe.

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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2013, 05:03:12 AM »
I have recently found a lab supply shop, and i thought to myself, why not just walk in there and buy what you need?

Not everything in one hit of course, i want to buy my mantle before anything, then slowly obtain my vacuum and glassware.

If i'm asked what i'm using it for, i either have a great excuse which i already have, or i just say its a present for a family friend, etc.

Then when i go in again, they will know who i am and what i'm after. Anyone else do this? I dont see a problem with it..?

Just walk in and walk out. ;)

Oh I wish I had one of those in my shitty city. It would be so convenient. Good excuses would be that you're homebrewing beer (most plausible), that you're making biodiesel because you're a treehugger, that you're working on the next great American invention, that your son/nephew/niece has taken an interest in chemistry, that you're a student researcher at [local university] who broke one too many 5L heating mantles and have to replace it yourself, that you want these flasks because they look so pretty (might only work if you're a girl).

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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2013, 06:46:22 AM »
Yes exactly phaseolus. ;)

Its a graduation present for my daughter who has finished high school.

Once first order has been made, then additional items will be easy to obtain.

They are online as well, so after the first or second walk-in, i can do the rest online. 8)

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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2013, 01:23:55 PM »
Funny y'all brought this up.  I just realized that there is a laboratory equipment and chemical supplier right down the street.  They carry everything one would ever need from glass to reagent grade chemicals.  So I gave them a call to set up an account.  Turns out that one doesn't need an account to purchase from them, and they accept cash.  I was as happy as a puppy with two peters.
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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2013, 02:26:08 PM »
Awh goat you're a lucky guy! Positively burning with envy o'er here. But to add to the discussion i've bought some/most of my glass and a couple of regular amounts of regular non-drug related chems and havent noticed anything/anyone suspiscious in my area.

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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2013, 07:31:18 PM »
If you are nervous about buying from eBay, just have a look at who is running their online store, many of them have their own websites independent of eBay. Just think of eBay as the catalogue and referral service ...

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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2013, 12:36:30 AM »
Since many ref the site here, I'll throw in that at SM it is not against the rules to sell things (legal things of course).  SWIz bought his first set from a guy on that site.  Completely under the table and discrete.  Plus, the gentleman that sold him the set gave him an incredible deal.  He got close to 800 bucks worth of glass for around 400.  Shipped fast too.  Go to the site and search for glassware for sale. 
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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2013, 09:20:49 PM »
Great advice zgoat! The subforum is called "Reagents and Apparatus Acquisition"

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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2013, 10:20:03 AM »
I honestly don't see the problem with Ebay. I've thought about doing this:

1. Use an anonymous funding method (there are several options...) 
2. Use a different address and name for every order
3. Use a different account for every order

How would LE gather evidence on you if you employed that method? Chem shops and other websites are great, but they're oftentimes not nearly as convenient or legitimate.

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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2013, 10:54:02 AM »
You have to use all three options to be secure which is not a problem for one or two things but  most people don't have 5+ different addresses at their disposal (using friends is a bad idea).

That being said it all depends on what you are buying and how motivated police is to get you.

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Re: Dubiousness of eBay as a source
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2013, 12:23:41 PM »
If the order is suspicious, they'll just camp out and wait for you to come pick it up so they can identify you. Each individual order has to fly below the radar as well as the coherent whole. EBay is dangerous. Antibody2 gave the best advice here.
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